What is a “good experience” in a women’s toilet?

[MyAmpleSheep]

From Reddit.

List your good experiences of using single sex spaces of your gender?

Cheer up everyone’s day by listing your good experiences of using single sex spaces.
Helping fix a woman bra, giving a woman a pad, receiving compliments from women…

Can GI supporting people see why examples of a “good experience” for a trans-identifying man in a women’s toilet being - (first) to play with a woman’s underwear and (second) get involved in her menstruation - is profoundly unhelpful?

Wouldn’t a “good experience” simply be to use the facilities and leave?

How does this “cheer up everyone’s day״?

’Private’ works well too.

Could you define what you mean by 'sacred'?

Usually it refers to something religious.

Hook on the door and no blokes hanging around

Good:
Loo roll
Hand soap
Mirrors
Clean

Bad:
Dirty
Smelly
No loo roll
No hand soap
Doors that don't lock
Not enough toilets

"Practical" and "pragmatic" are the words I'd choose.

I don't have a religious belief women must have single sex spaces or anything, I just thing they are the most practical and pragmatic solution to various needs and challenges women face out and about in public society.

I can think of other solutions but generally they aren't as simple or effective, and so when the only reason for them is to benefit people who aren't female by making those who are worse off, as a Feminist I am generally down on that.

No, you’re correct.

What is ‘feminine’ about unique female toilet needs?

Not to speak for the poster, but I read it as meaning:

Female biology creates issues some of which are unique to women and girls and different from issues male biology creates for men and boys. Single sex toilets address this.

Femininity is not really relevant to toilet provision because it is a subjective social construct.

Of course the use of ‘sacred’ by the poster making the original statement was to position anyone who believes that female people require single sex provisions to remain female single sex is ideological to discredit any argument made that female people need their own provision due to unique needs. It was used to shame any female who admits to needing a provision that excludes group of male people that the poster insists are not causing any harm based on nothing by emotional reasoning.

You are quite correct.

Femininity is a subjective judgment and irrelevant to which toilet someone uses. The term also takes on different connotations depending on the usage and the context.

The original poster used it to support their attempt to frame female people’s unique needs in needing a group of male people excluded as being ideological.

Do you have a problem with women using female toilets for these activities? Are you suggesting a list of things that women must not do in toilets or have I misunderstood your rather odd post?

I’m not devout, so when I use the word ‘sacred’ I mean a space that is set aside for a particular group and cannot be violated by other groups. That space, and the rules for the space, is understood inherently by all groups.

No, just the opposite. Apologies for the confusion there.

This is the post that my post about the loathing of the term “sacred palaces of femininity” was referring to. For anyone who missed the post.

No, it was not. To repeat, I am a woman. Why would I wish to “shame” other women? Listen to yourself.

Thank you.

Nothing. Upthread, I agreed with another poster in describing them as uniquely female.

You just said you were not the original poster, so the post describing the quote had context that had nothing to do with you.

Perhaps you should take your own advice.

To repeat, are you TransParentlyAnnoyed and did you post at 02:31am today on this thread?

Transphobic myths about tw getting off on going there are largely based on weird porn.

"Largely". Hmm.

No myth involved, however, in my student daughter encountering large rowdy male students in the women's loos, with or without skirts and eyeliner, who knew that she couldn't do anything about it because there were signs up actually telling students never to question anyone who might appear to be in the wrong place, and backed up by the student handbook.

She and multiple of her friends were furious, embarrassed and frustrated by the idiocy of the policy. I hope it's changed now.

Why do you keep changing what you’re saying and assuming replies to another poster are aimed at you? Multiple times? In a way that is completely taking over the thread? It’s very weird.

To repeat, no, I am not. Would you like to report this post and ask MNHQ? You’re very welcome to. Although I find your badgering on this somewhat aggressive.

I apologise. That was a genuine mistake combined with having to send several replies in a row. (Without my glasses on.)

Is this a reverse?

Perhaps you can tell me why you have taken exception to my post about a post that you didn’t write yet seem to be treating as if I wrote it in reply to you, when it was not to you at all.

And you have also agreed with me and other posters that female toilet needs have nothing to do with femininity, which was part of the point I was raising.

Because at this point, your accusations of targeting and aggression seem like projection.

I'm sorry you have had that experience of public/shared toilets. It is not something I have encountered in 40+ years of loos in shopping centres, pubs, hotels, workplaces, museums, community halls, cinemas, theatres.

The cleanliness has varied. I have come to suspect that the people who occasionally pee on floors and seats are probably male-plumbed.