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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

City of Bern apologies to TW with ‘certain physical characteristics that were not percieved as female’ was removed from nudist area of women only pool.

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Justme56 · 30/06/2026 07:00

Taken from a post by SEEN in Journalism. I used AI for an English translation as I don’t speak German so apologies if anything is incorrect.

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/2071729481488740824?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

Stadt Bern

29 June 2026 | Municipal Council, Directorates
Incident involving a police operation at Marzili Outdoor Pool
Yesterday, Sunday, an incident occurred in the women-only section called “Paradiesli” at the Marzili outdoor swimming pool involving a transgender woman. At the instruction of the pool management, the person was removed from the pool by the police. It was later determined that this decision was wrong. In the future, the Sports Office will communicate the access rules more clearly.
The “Paradiesli” is a voluntary clothing-optional (nudist) area for women, located in a physically separated section in the southeastern part of the Marzili outdoor pool. On Sunday evening, a woman was present in the Marzili who, due to certain physical characteristics, was not perceived as female by some other bathers. Several visitors to the “Paradiesli” felt disturbed by her presence. Other visitors expressed solidarity with the woman. As tensions at the site continued to rise, the facility management spoke with the woman and asked her to leave the “Paradiesli.”
After discussions involving the “taktvoll” security service’s presence and prevention team also failed to calm the situation, the pool management mistakenly decided to have the transgender woman removed by the police because they feared the situation would escalate. The tense and conflict-ridden atmosphere led to this incorrect assessment of the situation. The Directorate for Education, Social Affairs and Sport expressly regrets this decision and apologizes to the person concerned.
Access rules for the separate women’s area “Paradiesli”
All people who identify as women and live as women are permitted to enter the voluntary clothing-optional area “Paradiesli.” An internal guidance document, prepared jointly by the Sports Office and the Office for Gender Equality, assists staff in managing access to gender-segregated areas, including the “Paradiesli.” It states that, in difficult cases, the officially registered sex shown on an identity document is decisive. The person concerned met the access requirements.
Measures for future management of the “Paradiesli”
The City of Bern is firmly committed to fostering a supportive community that opposes discrimination and exclusion. It calls on all visitors to the swimming pool to treat one another with respect. The city will now hold discussions with both the people who reported the incident and those affected. In addition to the internal guidance document, a public guide will be created explaining access to the “Paradiesli,” both on-site and online. Over the coming days, staff at the Marzili outdoor pool will receive support from the “taktvoll” presence and prevention team and will receive more targeted training in handling gender-specific protected spaces, with particular attention to the concerns relating to the “Paradiesli.”
Directorate for Education, Social Affairs and Sport

SEEN in Journalism (@JournalismSEEN) on X

A man has been given an official public apology after being removed by police from a female-only nudist section of a public baths. He’s described here as ‘a woman whom other bathers did not perceive as female due to certain physical characteristics’....

https://x.com/journalismseen/status/2071729481488740824?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

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Chersfrozenface · 30/06/2026 14:40

onlytherain · 30/06/2026 14:10

I think this is great. This will make more people peak - not just the women in the pool, but also their partners and friends. I still have friends in some self-ID countries who tell me it won't affect them, there will be common sense decisions (even if in conflict with the law) and it is no real problem. Bring it on, is all I can say.

Quite.

Maybe people in Bern didn't know about self ID. Maybe they didn't know what it meant in real terms.

Well they know now.

LlynTegid · 30/06/2026 14:40

The mistake is not saying biological women to begin with. As self ID can apply to anyone.

Seethlaw · 30/06/2026 15:05

Makes you wonder how they would deal with a transman demanding to go to the men's area. What could possibly go wrong?

SirChenjins · 30/06/2026 15:42

From the Times - "All persons who identify and live as women have access,” the city said, adding that the trans woman met the criteria."

So the female bathing area is now mixed sex. FU women, says the man, I got what I wanted.

Treaclewell · 30/06/2026 20:03

My friend, male, said "What?" and then suggested a simple solution for everyone concerned, though painful for the hurty guy. Without the obviously not female bits, he wouldn't offend, would he?

SirChenjins · 30/06/2026 20:45

Treaclewell · 30/06/2026 20:03

My friend, male, said "What?" and then suggested a simple solution for everyone concerned, though painful for the hurty guy. Without the obviously not female bits, he wouldn't offend, would he?

A bloke with a chopped off penis is still a bloke.

ChaToilLeam · 30/06/2026 20:52

Ihr Schwanz, Leute! 🤦‍♀️

And now there is no female only area in this Lido. Hope it peaks the fuck out of everyone in Bern.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 30/06/2026 21:41

And so it goes on. Any space where women can enjoy a bit of male-free peace has to be colonised by male sex fetishists. They just can't bear women having something of our own.

MimiGC · 30/06/2026 21:44

Outrageous, infuriating and imbecilic. He should be told to F off in no uncertain terms.

SwirlyGates · 30/06/2026 22:09

Treaclewell · 30/06/2026 20:03

My friend, male, said "What?" and then suggested a simple solution for everyone concerned, though painful for the hurty guy. Without the obviously not female bits, he wouldn't offend, would he?

Only people who believe that castrated men are the same as women would think so.

Helleofabore · Today 07:11

I hope this news gets traction and widely published.

This is a bonkers policy.

Shedmistress · Today 08:21

It doesn't seem to be getting traction as the news seems to say 'Bern apologises' without mentioning they apologised to the bloke not the women.

turquoiseshell · Today 10:04

There was a case in Switzerland in 2024. A girl spent a lot of time online over Covid and at 16 decided she wanted to transition. The school, hospital and authorities all ganged up against the parents, who refused to support transition. The girl was put in a children's home. The parents were being threatened with a criminal prosecution for refusing to hand over documentation relating to the girl (maybe passport and birth certificate?) to enable a legal transition to male. The parents went to court to stop the transition, but the case went against them. By then the girl was 17, which gave her the right to transition. They were considering going to the ECHR, but I don't know what then happened.

turquoiseshell · Today 10:10

There have also been cases of men transitioning because they wanted to get out of military service, or to get a state pension earlier.

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