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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is being trans a 'disease'/mental health issue?

430 replies

SolveMyPrombles · 26/06/2026 20:05

I'm asking on this board for deliberate considered responses so please do share your thoughts.

A lady on a local group has described being trans as a mental illness that should be treated with compassion not pandered to because it's a disease.

Looking into it more deeply I believe she's wrong and there is no current diagnostic manual that agrees with her take.

What do you think?

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Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:01

nevernotmaybe · 26/06/2026 23:55

All elements can be expressed independently with the right genetic issue or trigger, you stating it can't with no basis doesn't change this.

It's a combination of syndromes, between Swyer Syndrome and CAIS, that covers most things. Not just the one you chose because you don't like the idea that they could give birth, so didn't bother checking to avoid facing that.

I have already demonstrated enough for the burden to be entirely on others to point in the right direction at a bare minimum. The suggesting no part of the brain can be expressed genetically on it's own is an extraordinary claim, even if true you would have to be many years more advanced than the rest of us to be sure with your knowledge of that - and at that point I can't help but feel you need to be doing something more worthwhile with that knowledge.

It's a combination of syndromes, between Swyer Syndrome and CAIS, that covers most things. Not just the one you chose because you don't like the idea that they could give birth, so didn't bother checking to avoid facing that.

I didn't choose anything. You're the one who failed to tell me what I was supposed to look for.

The suggesting no part of the brain can be expressed genetically on it's own

Did I say that? Mind you, maybe I did, because I have no idea what you mean by that.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:01

murasaki · 26/06/2026 23:58

But some, not all, but some trans people do claim to have changed sex. And use the phrase her penis. So it's not just about gender.

Trans people claim to change their secondary sex traits to align with their internal sense of gender not their reproductive (gametes) sex traits so its a matter of how they are defining 'sex'.

Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:02

Baileyonice · 26/06/2026 23:56

The context is gender not sex as well as internal perceptions as opposed to societal ones.

There is no such thing as gender.

I agree about internal perceptions being wrong, though.

murasaki · Yesterday 00:04

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:01

Trans people claim to change their secondary sex traits to align with their internal sense of gender not their reproductive (gametes) sex traits so its a matter of how they are defining 'sex'.

Some change nothing. Bar clothing etc. And her penis is an impossibility, as you know.

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:05

Zoonosis · 26/06/2026 21:06

The brain is the software, the body is the hardware. This isn't pulled out of nowhere, this is supported by multiple studies that show trans people's brains differ from cis people's in the parts that deal with self-image and self-perception, you can google if you actually have a shred of good faith interest.

Transition isn't about damaging the body; change isn't damage, especially not if the person who lives in that body doesn't perceive it as such (and their opinion counts above yours, I'm afraid). I'm reminded of the words of a trans man friend of mine who said that when he started taking testosterone it felt like coming home to his body for the first time ever in his life.

Disclaimer because this over is a sensitive topic im only asking questions rather than assuming i know anything

if you took a human body, and before surgeons and moden medicine was possible, and you hacked, cut, sawn off parts you didnt like, then by all intents and purposes can you explain to me how that is not damaging the body that genetics and nature created ?

My examples are :

Immediate Physical Destruction
Tissue trauma: Hacking or sawing physically destroys specialized cellular structures.
Massive hemorrhage: Cutting major blood vessels causes rapid, fatal blood loss.
Circulatory shock: Loss of blood volume leads to immediate organ failure.
No cellular repair: Nature cannot rebuild complex limbs or organs once removed.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:06

murasaki · Yesterday 00:00

Again, I agree, but religious people have no impact on my life, whereas men in female single sex spaces do, so I don't think it's fair to compare the two belief systems.

The context of this discussion pertains to the validity of a trans identity not how a conflict in rights should be managed. You seem to be making an argument that the conflict in rights between trans women & cis women invalidates the legitimacy of a trans identity which is a non sequitur.

murasaki · Yesterday 00:10

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:06

The context of this discussion pertains to the validity of a trans identity not how a conflict in rights should be managed. You seem to be making an argument that the conflict in rights between trans women & cis women invalidates the legitimacy of a trans identity which is a non sequitur.

Not at all, you said that religion was also an internal belief system, amd I just said why the two things were different.

As it happens, I don't believe in either. I don't have a gender identity, I am just who I am. And I find claiming to be something someone quite clearly isn't, rather odd. Wishing to be it, I can understand but being it, well no. And therefore to me, to go back to the thread question, it does seem to be a mental illness.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:12

Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:02

There is no such thing as gender.

I agree about internal perceptions being wrong, though.

Gender refers to the socially constructed categories of behaviours, expressions, and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender-diverse people. The idea common behaviours don't exist among the sexes is as mentally distorted as what an anorexic believes.

Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:14

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:12

Gender refers to the socially constructed categories of behaviours, expressions, and identities of girls, women, boys, men, and gender-diverse people. The idea common behaviours don't exist among the sexes is as mentally distorted as what an anorexic believes.

Why does any of this necessitate to profoundly modify one's body?

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:17

Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:14

Why does any of this necessitate to profoundly modify one's body?

My question in relations to your point :

how can modifying a body built by one set of genetic blueprints in one design suddenly become another design when the original brain programming was built and designed for the bodies original blueprint design and not the new modifyed design regardless of what the user of the body thinks the body should be ?

Lovelyview · Yesterday 00:17

Zoonosis · 26/06/2026 20:52

If anyone cares about actual science, the increasing evidence is that feelings of gender incongruence are related to the part of our brains that deal with self-perception and self-image, which can be influenced by genetic factors or hormones in utero to be misaligned with the way our bodies develop. People who feel this incongruence to such a degree that they are made happier by taking steps to help their bodies align with their internal self-image are what we call trans people. It is not a mental illness because the brain is functioning perfectly normally, it's just part of its software is programmed for different hardware, if that makes sense.

Just to emphasise before someone jumps on me this is NOT as popularly suggested anything to do with having a "male" brain in a female body or vice versa as there's no such thing as male or female brains, but there are extensive networks in your brain that deal with bodily perception, and we know from neuroimaging that these parts of the brain differ in transgender individuals.

It's worth stressing that absolutely no reputable medical organisation considers being trans to be a mental health disorder anymore, and nor is gender dysphoria considered to be a type of body dysmorphia as pps have claimed. Nor have any efforts to "cure" trans people apart from allowing them to transition ever been successful or caused anything other than harm and distress.

Edited

So what about detransitioners. They seem to have believed they need to present as the opposite sex, then to have realised they want to live as the sex they are born. I can't see how this isn't a mental health disorder.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 00:18

Baileyonice · 26/06/2026 23:55

Beliefs like religion are internal & are respected with both social & legal legitimacy.

Well no, only some of them are, for historical reasons.

Others are called cults.

There are plenty of people who believe mad things which are neither respected with social, nor legal legitimacy.

Lovelyview · Yesterday 00:21

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:06

The context of this discussion pertains to the validity of a trans identity not how a conflict in rights should be managed. You seem to be making an argument that the conflict in rights between trans women & cis women invalidates the legitimacy of a trans identity which is a non sequitur.

Cis is deeply offensive to me. To suggest I am a subset of the category woman is incorrect. I don't expect you to care but I want you to know this is the case.

murasaki · Yesterday 00:24

Lovelyview · Yesterday 00:17

So what about detransitioners. They seem to have believed they need to present as the opposite sex, then to have realised they want to live as the sex they are born. I can't see how this isn't a mental health disorder.

Detransitioners are ignored. Seethlaw is ignored. Biology is ignored. The fact that women find 'cis' objectionable is ignored. Everything that doesn't fit the one true way is ignored.

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:25

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 00:18

Well no, only some of them are, for historical reasons.

Others are called cults.

There are plenty of people who believe mad things which are neither respected with social, nor legal legitimacy.

for example that the earth was the centre of the universe and omg Galileo for suggesting otherwise

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:25

murasaki · Yesterday 00:24

Detransitioners are ignored. Seethlaw is ignored. Biology is ignored. The fact that women find 'cis' objectionable is ignored. Everything that doesn't fit the one true way is ignored.

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which then begs the question why is the trans ship so important ?

murasaki · Yesterday 00:26

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:25

which then begs the question why is the trans ship so important ?

And that's fascinating, isn't it, how did this movement become so powerful, and why?

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:28

murasaki · Yesterday 00:26

And that's fascinating, isn't it, how did this movement become so powerful, and why?

thats the puzzlement whats it all for. its not like humans can be real shapeshifters and change their body naturally at will, they need to use science to butcher natures creation

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:28

murasaki · Yesterday 00:10

Not at all, you said that religion was also an internal belief system, amd I just said why the two things were different.

As it happens, I don't believe in either. I don't have a gender identity, I am just who I am. And I find claiming to be something someone quite clearly isn't, rather odd. Wishing to be it, I can understand but being it, well no. And therefore to me, to go back to the thread question, it does seem to be a mental illness.

I don't have a gender identity

Well you are either gender conforming to your sex or not.

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 00:29

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:28

I don't have a gender identity

Well you are either gender conforming to your sex or not.

What on earth does that mean apart from conforming to stereotypes?

Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:31

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:28

thats the puzzlement whats it all for. its not like humans can be real shapeshifters and change their body naturally at will, they need to use science to butcher natures creation

Jennifer Bilek, in her book "Transsexual transgender transhuman" does indeed conclude that the transgender craze is the first step in a transhuman search. Scary stuff.

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:32

Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:14

Why does any of this necessitate to profoundly modify one's body?

Bodily presentation is an expression of an internal sense of gender an example is when a cis woman wants to enlarge her breasts as an inclination towards feminine expression or a cis man increases his muscular physique via steroids or weights.

murasaki · Yesterday 00:33

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:28

I don't have a gender identity

Well you are either gender conforming to your sex or not.

But what about non binary? Are they not helpful to your cause any more?

And if I say I don't, I don't, isn't that how it works?

noblegiraffe · Yesterday 00:34

Baileyonice · Yesterday 00:32

Bodily presentation is an expression of an internal sense of gender an example is when a cis woman wants to enlarge her breasts as an inclination towards feminine expression or a cis man increases his muscular physique via steroids or weights.

So a woman who doesn't have big tits and no desire to enlarge them is gender non-conforming?

PenelopeJoanSterling · Yesterday 00:34

Seethlaw · Yesterday 00:31

Jennifer Bilek, in her book "Transsexual transgender transhuman" does indeed conclude that the transgender craze is the first step in a transhuman search. Scary stuff.

thank you, personally im in favour of humans equiped with machines its just puzzling

my question for anyone

if anyone can explain how can you take a human body born male or female, and reskin it and then suddenly its the oposite of its design, even when all the inside parts are still the original design