Is being trans a 'disease'/mental health issue?

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I'm asking on this board for deliberate considered responses so please do share your thoughts.

A lady on a local group has described being trans as a mental illness that should be treated with compassion not pandered to because it's a disease.

Looking into it more deeply I believe she's wrong and there is no current diagnostic manual that agrees with her take.

What do you think?

1. Self-acceptance and transitioning heals gender dysphoria.

1. Transphobic obsessives encourage the bullying that destroys trans people's lives. This bullying ranges from deliberate misgendering right up to violence, and all of it counts.

1. Parents are often their first and most impactful abuser.

Hope that's not too complex for you.

But if the transperson is truly happy and self accepting, “misgendering” will have no effect will it. If they truly feel they are who they are want to be, other people’s opinions will be like water off a ducks back. They will be comfortable accepting their biological sex, yet presenting in a GNC way and living their best life. As long as they use any facilities relevant to their sex. It’s all good innit?

Trans person is two words btw.

This is a bizarre standard that is only ever applied to trans people. If you intentionally disrespect or insult someone they get annoyed, not because they lack self-acceptance, but because they are reacting to someone being deliberately rude. Expecting trans people to be completely immune to social hostility just to prove they are 'truly happy' is a double standard.

This is a bizarre standard that is only ever applied to trans people.

To be fair, trans people are the first ones to apply bizarre standards that only ever apply to themselves.

No it isn’t. I mean, you expect women to “ be nice” when transpeople are telling them what a woman is, disrespecting them by using sexist, offensive criteria to claim womanhood and demanding access to female spaces? Women have been threatened with rape, violence and murder for saying males with a trans identity are women. Tell me again why women owe any transpeople respect? Respect is earned, not demanded.

Okay, what do I have to do to earn your respect then?

Thanks for being honest and being upfront that you really still don’t understand consent or safeguarding.

When? Any situation where a female person expects to be with only female people utilising any female single sex provision.

Do you think that's a gotcha? Bless.

Only abusers consider abuse to have no effect.

Only abusers excuse what they do, and say their verbal abuse has no impact.

Would you like those points in fewer syllables?

Like the abusers threatening women? The ones claiming women should not be entitled to single sex spaces? Those abusers? The ones demanding gender identity be affirmed at all costs. I do agree. They are evil.

You keep doing this. You are conflating violent TRAs with regular trans people. The vast majority of trans people have never threatened anyone or demanded anything.

Speaking for myself only, male people who use any female single sex provision at all is someone who is not respecting female people as the very start of the list.

Passive demand is still a demand.

If any male person is using female single sex provision that is effectively making a demand.

Oh no! Next you’ll be accusing me of conflating males with a trans identity with men! Whatever should I do?! Any man who enters female spaces apart from in the course of an employment is demanding people see him as a woman. Any man entering female sports,especially contact sports, is endangering women. Any men telling women to call him she and saying he’s a woman is demanding something of women.

Yep.

Even those who don’t get asked to leave.

Even those who female people invite in to the provision.

Even those who have been passively using the provision without self regulating for decades.

Passive demands, or requests, etc, where a male person cannot self regulate to acknowledge that female people have needs that should be respected and that no male person is ever a female person are still ‘demands’.

A male person who uses those provisions lack self regulation and are not respectful of female people.

You are a very unpleasant person. I hope you have a good day.

Yes, and theft cures lack of money for the thief.

Nevertheless we don't just take from one group willynilly because another will benefit.

Trans people are distressed because they have disordered ideas about what type of minds are right for "women" and what type of minds are right for "men". That is the be all and end all of it.

Making everyone else play along and pretend those "man minds" and "wonan minds" are actually real and can override physical sex which definitely does exist and definitely does have significant consequences especially for women is way way way way way beyond reasonable.

And trans people and their allies claiming their minds makes them the opposite sex is disrespecting and insulting to all the people who do not believe their sex has to align with a particular type of personality.

So can trans people please stop doing that?

Sex is sex. Physical.

Gender is gender. Mental.

So find a new name for these mental genders, because they are not the sanlme thing as sex and you insult us when you claim they are.

Except the demand that we all define ourselves by their ideas of what personalities are appropriate for "men" and "women", or course. There is that little nuance.

And trans people and their allies claiming their minds makes them the opposite sex is disrespecting and insulting to all the people who do not believe their sex has to align with a particular type of personality.
Who said it has anything to do with personality? Clothes and your hobbies has nothing to do with your sex just as it has nothing to do with mine. My discomfort came down to how my body looked and taking hormones changed my body to align more with female secondary sex characteristics. And again I’m not saying that changes my sex. I’m just saying presenting that way makes my more bearable.

Whatever it was, it started in your mind.

So a part of you does believe your mind is the wrong type of mind for a man but the right type for a woman.

And that is a problem for women like me who do not believe our minds or personalities are innately shaped by our sex, though they undoubtedly become so to some degree over our lives due to sex-based experiences.

Because I refuse to accept men can become women?

So a part of you does believe your mind is the wrong type of mind for a man but the right type for a woman
I haven’t said that, nor do I believe that. I’ll be really clear. I am biologically male, but for whatever reason I wasn’t comfortable with my male secondary sex characteristics and felt like I should’ve had female sex characteristics. I don’t believe I have a woman brain or essence or anything like that. My personality is my own and was also likely shaped by my own experience.

No, not that. You just communicate in a condescending and unpleasant way.

If you see yourself as a male person, if you don't use or expect female language for yourself, and if you don't use female-only resources (spaces, networks and other provisions) or take it on yourself to speak "as a woman" rather than the man you are, then I have every respect for you and will stand beside you to fight for your place in the world as a valid expression of the diversity of men.

Are those things true of you? I really do hope so. It would be a welcome step forward.