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NowSober · 29/06/2026 13:27

Archive version
https://archive.ph/Wm27K

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/06/2026 14:51

Thanks for the link, it's good to read AD's input, same sex attraction is being use as the cover for 'trans' on this.
High profile gay men and lesbian's need to start speaking out and make it clear to the muppets in parliament who will be voting on this that it has nothing to do with LGB. The LGB Alliance needs to speak up too, and all the other same sex attracted groups.

"The Government is now openly positioning itself as an enemy of its gay citizens, and it is unlikely to be deterred."

There the enemy of gay's, and of women, and of children, and of parents, and of free speech, so all that's left are the Wokie Blokes, funny how that worked out.

moto748e · 29/06/2026 14:58

High profile gay men and lesbian's need to start speaking out

Sandi Toksvig, Stephen Fry... I'm not holding my breath.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 29/06/2026 15:02

moto748e · 29/06/2026 14:58

High profile gay men and lesbian's need to start speaking out

Sandi Toksvig, Stephen Fry... I'm not holding my breath.

Yes but if SF does maybe AD can take him on for it, I know who I'd put my money on to win that argument.

SF could then slink off into the sunset never to be heard from again. Amen

moto748e · 29/06/2026 15:11

A pleasing scenario, if unlikely. 😀

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2026 15:15

impossibletoday · 29/06/2026 14:33

If you can stomach it......
(2 parts)

https://x.com/i/status/2071573802790633562

I had to stop. She so very much worse than I had imagined.

She is the one enforcing ‘preferred outcomes”, which is what she called conversion therapy.

Given that House of Lords discussion yesterday, about what those parents did in transing a 2 1/2 year old boy, who is now a quivering mess of a 12 year old pubescent boy in hiding in his room, about to go on puberty blockers as there’s no way back to his being a boy and he’d been brought up to think he was a girl, and this horrific woman pushing poison physically and mentally, any government that can’t see people like Webberley and the parents are the ones who need 5 years imprisonment for conversion practices, is hard to come to terms with.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2026 15:29

Seethlaw · 29/06/2026 09:19

I thought she might have meant that what’s done is done, the child can’t go back now, he is living in torment and the only way forward is to carry on facilitating further transing so he can live a ‘normal’ life as the girl he was told he was for 8 years.

Because that worked so well when John Money recommended doing something similar to David Reimer...

This child is not going to live a "normal" life either way. So the only right thing to do is to help him live as close to normal a life as possible, which means letting him go through his normal puberty with as much support as possible.

Thank you, I could not remember the details about that case and Money but it was lurking in the back of my mind. It was interesting that the boy’s sense of maleness broke out even though he’d been operated on as a baby to look like a girl and he had thought he was a girl up until then.

You are right, couldn’t this gaslit male child in the HoL case be given space and a fresh start to get through puberty in peace and see how he gets on?

But I can see that possibly Dr Cass was speaking from a point of view of feeling things had gone too far. Presumably parents will still be around too.

The only hope is if an ethics committee insists the child is put in the care of a skilled psychiatrist or psychologist before anything else.

Kucinghitam · 29/06/2026 16:53

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2026 15:29

Thank you, I could not remember the details about that case and Money but it was lurking in the back of my mind. It was interesting that the boy’s sense of maleness broke out even though he’d been operated on as a baby to look like a girl and he had thought he was a girl up until then.

You are right, couldn’t this gaslit male child in the HoL case be given space and a fresh start to get through puberty in peace and see how he gets on?

But I can see that possibly Dr Cass was speaking from a point of view of feeling things had gone too far. Presumably parents will still be around too.

The only hope is if an ethics committee insists the child is put in the care of a skilled psychiatrist or psychologist before anything else.

The only thing Dr Cass, and anybody else in the chamber, should have been saying was that those parents should be arrested for child abuse Angry

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · 30/06/2026 14:03

Sorry if this has already been posted:

Simon Blake's (CEO Stonewall) take on the reasons we need this Conversion Bill (from 25 June 2026):

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/when-our-community-is-under-attack-we-organise-we-fight-we-overcome

A few choice excerpts (my bold):

Meaningful action has been delayed while the ongoing debate itself has pathologised LGBTQ+ people and left young people, in particular, at increased risk of self-harm, suicide and poorer mental health. [ah, ye olde "suicide ideation" - Simon, you'll need to try harder]

At a time of great turbulence when many people in our diverse and wonderful community need to hear this parliament to say unequivocally that Lesbian, Gay, Bi, Trans and Queer people do not need changing. [not a complete sentence] We are good exactly as we are. [Simon, you haven't spoken to Nancy, have you?]

Stonewall’s vision is a world where everyone everywhere has equal rights. [funny guy]

significant gap in equality protections for trans people in the UK following the Supreme Court judgment and subsequent EHRC guidance. [well, that's just a lie]

.......………

Note the use of LGBTQ+ throughout. I haven't seen "Trans+" in a while- maybe it was tried for a while but hasn't taken?

moto748e · 30/06/2026 15:45

I've seen a lot of stuff on SM lately along the lines of "the UK has fallen to 93rd in the list of LGBTQ+ friendly European nations".
Who draws up these lists, and what rigorous criteria are used, is not made clear.

All those rights that have been taken away from trans people, right? (Untrue, of course)

Same old dishonest self-pitying.

Seethlaw · 30/06/2026 16:13

moto748e · 30/06/2026 15:45

I've seen a lot of stuff on SM lately along the lines of "the UK has fallen to 93rd in the list of LGBTQ+ friendly European nations".
Who draws up these lists, and what rigorous criteria are used, is not made clear.

All those rights that have been taken away from trans people, right? (Untrue, of course)

Same old dishonest self-pitying.

Separate the LGB from the T, and most likely suddenly the UK will be golden when it comes to LGB.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/06/2026 16:48

moto748e · 30/06/2026 15:45

I've seen a lot of stuff on SM lately along the lines of "the UK has fallen to 93rd in the list of LGBTQ+ friendly European nations".
Who draws up these lists, and what rigorous criteria are used, is not made clear.

All those rights that have been taken away from trans people, right? (Untrue, of course)

Same old dishonest self-pitying.

How many places are on the list, and how long will it take to get to the bottom. 😁
(Although to note there aren't 93 countries in Europe)

Stonewall still shroud waving with the 'suicide' bollocks.

IwantToRetire · 30/06/2026 17:47

‘Labour’s draft Conversion Practices Bill is unnecessary, illiberal and politically motivated’

... Yet the government has just published a draft Conversion Practices Bill that introduces new criminal offences, carrying up to five years in prison, for “abusive” acts intended to change or suppress someone’s sexual orientation or transgender identity. It claims a high threshold and exemptions for legitimate healthcare. But in reality, the drafting is dangerously vague, the evidence base threadbare, and the timing politically revealing.

... The political drivers are equally clear. The trans activist lobby has suffered a series of reversals: the collapse of self-ID ambitions in Scotland, court rulings affirming that sex is biological and material in prisons, sports and single-sex spaces, and the restructuring of NHS gender services. In that context, a broad conversion practices bill looks like a low-cost political concession. Something that can be presented as “standing up for LGBT+ people” without tackling the harder questions about evidence, child protection or the material reality of sex. It is gesture politics dressed up as principle.

https://labourlist.org/2026/06/labours-draft-conversion-practices-bill-is-unnecessary-illiberal-and-politically-motivated/

Article being promoted by LGB Alliance

‘Labour’s draft Conversion Practices Bill is unnecessary, illiberal and politically motivated’ – LabourList

All reasonable people oppose the barbaric conversion practices once inflicted on gay men and lesbians. Electric shocks, aversion therapy and chemical castration are thankfully in…

https://labourlist.org/2026/06/labours-draft-conversion-practices-bill-is-unnecessary-illiberal-and-politically-motivated/

moto748e · 30/06/2026 18:41

The Labourlist people always seem pretty sane. How many Labour MPs agree with them, though? And are prepared to stand up and say so?

StSpiridian · 30/06/2026 19:27

In case of interest:
Quote:
'To reflect gender identity beliefs as a set of undisputed facts is not only mistaken but it comes at a huge cost – especially to the women and children that the criminal law should be there to protect. '
Rt Hon Sir Robert Buckland KBE KC MP, former Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice

from a report on how the proposals will impact wives/ children of trans identifying men , particularly victims of domestic abuse, sexual assault and coercive control, based on similar plans from the CPS a couple of years ago: link here:

https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/the-crown-prosecution-services-approach-to-transgenderism/

and on X the 'Children of Transitioners' group have raised various concerns. Their x/ nitter handle is Childrenoftrans

The Crown Prosecution Service’s approach to transgenderism - Policy Exchange

Download Publication Online Reader Our new report demonstrates how the CPS, which should be impartial, is heavily influenced by partisan and heavily ideological beliefs about gender identity. Annex D of the updated CPS guidance gives examples of “how t...

https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/the-crown-prosecution-services-approach-to-transgenderism/

IwantToRetire · 30/06/2026 19:37

moto748e · 30/06/2026 18:41

The Labourlist people always seem pretty sane. How many Labour MPs agree with them, though? And are prepared to stand up and say so?

Edited

Its not how many agree, but how many agree and are prepared to say that publicly. And I think we know the answer to that.

Was surprised to find out that in fact Labour List is (not 100%) funded by Unions.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 30/06/2026 19:39

IwantToRetire · 30/06/2026 17:47

‘Labour’s draft Conversion Practices Bill is unnecessary, illiberal and politically motivated’

... Yet the government has just published a draft Conversion Practices Bill that introduces new criminal offences, carrying up to five years in prison, for “abusive” acts intended to change or suppress someone’s sexual orientation or transgender identity. It claims a high threshold and exemptions for legitimate healthcare. But in reality, the drafting is dangerously vague, the evidence base threadbare, and the timing politically revealing.

... The political drivers are equally clear. The trans activist lobby has suffered a series of reversals: the collapse of self-ID ambitions in Scotland, court rulings affirming that sex is biological and material in prisons, sports and single-sex spaces, and the restructuring of NHS gender services. In that context, a broad conversion practices bill looks like a low-cost political concession. Something that can be presented as “standing up for LGBT+ people” without tackling the harder questions about evidence, child protection or the material reality of sex. It is gesture politics dressed up as principle.

https://labourlist.org/2026/06/labours-draft-conversion-practices-bill-is-unnecessary-illiberal-and-politically-motivated/

Article being promoted by LGB Alliance

Thanks for the link, a refreshingly realistic view of this batshittery, I hope it gains traction amongst the labour MP's.

"It is gesture politics dressed up as principle." Well put, and on a personal note I see the Dermot Kehoe is a Welshman, it does my heart good to know not everyone in the political landscape of Wales is captured. 😲 Hope still endures.

ScrollingLeaves · 30/06/2026 19:54

Thank you that sets out the arguments against the draft bill so clearly.

fromorbit · Yesterday 07:02

Whatever you do it is NEVER enough.

Terror group Bash Back are going after Nadia Whittome Labour MP, who has repeatedly put men in dresses before herself - for supporting the conversion therapy bill. Remember because the bill doesn't stop people hating and talking about women and gays enough and has some protections for medical discussion so many Trans activists are against it. X posts.

https://nitter.net/lwhb__/status/2072007073605259354

This is a major reason we might be able to take this bill down. Even TAs think it is bad.

Shedmistress · Yesterday 07:04

To be honest, if it stops everyone in their tracks from talking about 'trans' because they could be on either side of a 'conversion practice' it might be no bad thing.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 07:13

fromorbit · Yesterday 07:02

Whatever you do it is NEVER enough.

Terror group Bash Back are going after Nadia Whittome Labour MP, who has repeatedly put men in dresses before herself - for supporting the conversion therapy bill. Remember because the bill doesn't stop people hating and talking about women and gays enough and has some protections for medical discussion so many Trans activists are against it. X posts.

https://nitter.net/lwhb__/status/2072007073605259354

This is a major reason we might be able to take this bill down. Even TAs think it is bad.

I wonder if it's penetrated NW thick skull or just bounced off as usual, and she's blithely going on her way tra, tra, tralling until she gets eaten. 😂

fromorbit · Yesterday 07:15

moto748e · 30/06/2026 18:41

The Labourlist people always seem pretty sane. How many Labour MPs agree with them, though? And are prepared to stand up and say so?

Edited

Labour List always publish articles on both sides of the gender crazy debate. TAs hate that they do that, but it shows the current state inside Labour.

This is the argument in favour of passing the conversion therapy bill article published at the same time:

‘The UK’s conversion therapy ban is long overdue – now Parliament must deliver’
Joe Dharampal-Hornby & Rachel Taylor MP
https://labourlist.org/2026/06/ban-conversion-practices-uk/

Labour is internally divided on this issue. Amongst MPs some will be working to undermine, amend or toss out this awful bill. There is going to be a big debate on the bill this thread is part of that. We are just starting.

The pro-bill arguments are not strong. We can win this as long as we keep pushing.

‘The UK’s conversion therapy ban is long overdue – now Parliament must deliver’ – LabourList

No one should ever be made to believe that who they are is something to be “cured”. Yet for decades, thousands of LGBT+ people across…

https://labourlist.org/2026/06/ban-conversion-practices-uk/

fromorbit · Yesterday 07:18

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 07:13

I wonder if it's penetrated NW thick skull or just bounced off as usual, and she's blithely going on her way tra, tra, tralling until she gets eaten. 😂

There is always the possibility that NW might flip. Lots of gender crits were formerly very pro trans rights you just need to listen to the TAs enough that you understand how much they hate women.