Aberdeen teacher complaining about being blocked from teaching LGBT+ to 7 year olds

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A primary teacher residing in stonehaven, and seemingly registered with aberdeen council, has posted on the 'scottish primary teaching' facebook group her anger at not being allowed to deliver LGBT+ lessons to her P4 class (which in Scotland will be ages 7-8). She gets support in the comments from John Summers Campbell - the drag queen teacher. Did he not have some kind of legal action / bad press against him at some point? My mind vaguely recalls a tribunal or something....
I'm sure her employer will be delighted at her using her real name, having trans flags on her personal profile, publicly critising them, making the school and SLT pretty much identifiable, allowing other teachers to slag them off and call them bigots. Any Aberdeen residents on this thread?

Stonehaven is Aberdeenshire not Aberdeen

Good if they have been stopped from teaching age-inappropriate indoctrination material to young children.

Surely all they need to know at that age is that some children have 2 mummies & that’s fine.

And that gender identity is sexist bollocks - in age appropriate language, of course.

Ref the comment from Kevin McIsaac, Is it true that parents/guardians are not allowed to withdraw children from LGBT lessons according to RHSP guidance?

That's encouraging, it's good to know it's being eased out of schools, especially in Scotland. Wales next 🙏 In Wales they made what they laughingly call Sex Ed, mandatory, no exceptions, I wouldn't be surprised if Scotland had as well.

Is John Naples Campbell the one that does drag and his school is in special measures? He stalked a parent and got her into court for tweets? Same man?

appears to be the same man yes, using different names, but a google brings up the same pictures for both names.

Good that another teacher saw the resources, complained and was listened to. Agree with @EmpressaurusKitty at this age it should be Jill has two mummies/two daddies.

Yes that jumped out at me too. Rather authoritarian that. What about respecting a diversity of views?

If you want remove a child from PHSE the headteacher will pressurise your child into overruling your dissent under the guise of claiming the child has a rights under UNCRC.

the school curriculum is making teachers groom the kids. They might not realise that is what they are doing. Though a head teacher who has fake boobs might. I can’t believe it, who would have ought rural Aberdeenshire would be where the gender madness lies? They don’t have heaps of gay bars to choose from like they might in canal st.

It is a bit worrying that, had another teacher not seen this content and reported it, the teacher would have been able to indoctrinate her students!

Yes, you're right.

Spectator: Why was this innocent doctor investigated...

The National: Psychologist cleared

I've attached the doctor's statement which fully details his behaviour towards her and her daughter.

Yet, he is on those threads questioning the motives of anyone posting anonymously.

Unfortunately, the Scottish Primary Teachers group on Facebook is notorious for trying to silence anyone with gender critical beliefs. People who perfectly politely state their case are shouted down or the thread is deleted or there are reports to admin. Often there are threats to report gender critical teachers to the General Teaching Council. The most vocal characters in the "debate" are - would you believe it?! - men. There are three (maybe four) very vocal and verbally aggressive men who take it upon themselves to put women down. If it were a choice between one of these fellas or a bear in the staffroom, you can bet the bear would get a welcome every time. And of course there are the token handmaidens who don't seem to have any understanding of the potential harm to autistic kids or vulnerable, sexually abused young girls of promoting the trans ideology. And heaven help anyone (BIGOTS!!!!)in that group who tries to separate the LBG from the TQIA+++++++++++.

That P4 class had a lucky escape from a teacher hell bent on promoting her own tqia+ agenda for the sake of virtue signalling. I'm so pleased someone was courageous enough to speak up.

John Summers Campbell seems nice 😊
https://www.northern-scot.co.uk/news/your-views-drag-queen-to-lead-interactive-show-at-elgin-lib-316256/

No teacher is registered with the LA. Teachers are registered and regulated by the GTC(S).

I expect OP meant "employed" rather than registered.

1. Stonehaven is in Aberdeenshire Council and now Aberdeen City Council
2. I can promise you no Primary 4 children are 7 at this point in the year. Many of them are already 9.
3. Teachers aren’t registered with a LA but registered with a governing body that covers all teachers in Scotland.
4. Scottish Primary Teachers is a private group that doesn’t need its posts aired on Mumsnet.

Wow I saw some right backflips there to completely miss the point!

Not really making a point when you can’t get basic facts right?

Why are people lurking on a private primary school teachers page looking for things to be outraged about?

It’s interesting that simply acknowledging LGBT people exist is described as “promoting an agenda”, while teaching children that only heterosexual and cisgender people exist is apparently considered neutral.
You make a lot of claims about harm, virtue signalling and ideology, but provide no evidence for any of them. Teaching children that different kinds of people exist isn’t indoctrination—it’s preparing them for the society they already live in.

Why would we need to hide gay people from kids?

They're not taught TO BE gay, just that gay people exist!

Why would that be something to worry about?

We also speak to kids about race and disability and mental health.

Is that offensive, too?

We're literally talking 'some people have 2 Mums or 2 dads'

Oh how SHOCKING!!!🙄

Teaching children that they should identify with regressive oppressive sex stereotypes IS harmful indoctrination. They should be taught that girls can like football, short hair, playing with mechanics, and dressing in trousers without being told that this somehow makes them a boy.

They should also be taught that they never need to pretend someone is the opposite sex in order to make that person feel better, and to tell their parents if someone at school tells them to keep a secret. That is safeguarding basics.

I don’t think many people would disagree that girls can like football, have short hair, wear trousers and enjoy traditionally masculine interests without being boys. Equally, boys can enjoy things that are stereotypically feminine without ceasing to be boys. Challenging restrictive gender stereotypes is something most of us support.
Where I disagree is the assumption that teaching children about LGBTQ+ people is the same thing as teaching them that stereotypes determine their identity. Those are two very different things.
I also don’t agree that schools should automatically disclose everything a child says about their identity to parents. If a child hasn’t shared something at home, there may be reasons for that. Schools regularly exercise professional judgement around confidential disclosures, and safeguarding isn’t always as simple as informing parents immediately. The key question should be what is in the best interests of that particular child.
On safeguarding more generally, of course children should be taught not to keep secrets from trusted adults, and to tell someone if they are worried or uncomfortable. I don’t think anyone would argue with that.
What I struggle with is the leap from those fairly uncontroversial points to the conclusion that a teacher discussing LGBTQ+ people with a P4 class is therefore promoting harmful ideology or indoctrinating children. Acknowledging that LGBTQ+ people exist, or that some children may have LGBTQ+ family members, isn’t the same thing as telling children what they should be.
To me, these are separate issues that often get bundled together in a way that creates more heat than light.

If only the same teachers were so keen to teach children that it's ok to have gender critical views - wouldn't that be a wonderful balance to teaching about reductive gender identities which trample on the sex based rights of women. Good on Fiona's colleague - the grown ups are taking the lead.