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I love to keep up with the other side, so here's a lot of words just to say "it's complicated." meanwhile he ignores the obvious answer to his own question.

www.fasttrackfemme.com/p/why-you-cant-win-an-argument-with

Plane toilets may be the same. I expect they must work off a pressurised system but agree it could be investigated.

The problem is that self-contained rooms are prone to misuse.
But because it's a universal toilet, they can't use a RADAR lock on it.
Network Rail can't solve the problem because they are relying on physical locks.

Environmental sensors can solve that without needing to close the door.
The system can silently alert facility security to go check when needed.

Somewhere, right now, there will be a group of dodgy men designing devices to fool or disable the sensors, either to use themselves or to sell to other dodgy men.

Who are these facility security staff of which you speak? Most railway stations are unmanned. My local station (quite large) has 2 staff. Neither has any security responsibilities.

May I remind you of the latest automated door locks on very expensive new unisex toilets that had to be closed last year. Getting trapped behind (any) locked door is the number one call out for London Fire Brigade.

At least you're acknowledging the hardware and the software doesn't exists yet, being futuristic or not is irrelevant. It also has to be paid for. Something you're also finally acknowledging. As one big outlay or in dribs and drabs. The money spaffed on this cannot be used on other things that are undoubted more important. You're indulging in total blue sky thinking. Governments, eh! While you're dreaming why not posit something that could genuinely turn men into women and, why the hell not, get yourself a pony while you're at it.

If nobody in the station can handle it, then whoever receives the signal can just call the police, just as they'd do with any other bathroom.
Can also link the sensor to a voicebox telling them to leave or police can come

"Call the police" he says! Mate, around here, you can wait for the cops to show up in a couple of hours, if that, and that's if they can be bothered. It's not like on the US TV shows, when they come screeching up, blue lights flashing, in five minutes!

"an engineering student could make it as a side-project"
"Just a mmWave running on simple logic gates"
"already being used in smart buildings"

What's being done in a normal bathroom in those circumstances?
And how is it detected?

Well, first of all, your "bathroom" is at home.
I assume you mean public toilets/railway station toilets?
How is what detected?

These systems are designed on a 'normally closed' loop or continuous heartbeat ping. What happens when a security system loses communication with a node?

@AngleofRepose
By what I mean overdoses, collapses, assaults, vandalism.

Well, that's the whole point, isn't it? And I'm sure @Keeptoiletssafe has already explained it to you.

If there's a gap under the door, then if someone sees you have collapsed, they can try to rescue you. Then call an ambulance if necessary. Last time I had to call an ambulance, last year, it took 90 minutes to arrive. And I was in a city at the time. If the toilet is more rural, it can take even longer.

If there's no gap under the door (such as in fully-contained floor-to-ceiling cubicles or in a single toilet room) and you collapse, it's likely that no one will know, and it could be days before you are found, unless you have your phone, it's working, and you are able to call someone.

Using the word 'bathroom' to describe public toilets is SO confusing. Unless it contains a bathbub that people bathe in it isn't a bathroom.

What context is that said in?
A sensor doesn't close the door, and I said it doesn't have to close.
Actually, if a lock does jam and you get trapped, in a traditional bathroom you'll have to bang it to hope someone can hear you.
With a sensor, after it detects that someone has been inside for an abnormal amount of time, it alerts maintenance.

Badly trained or lazy operatives turn the whole thing off because it 'keeps giving false alarms'.

For all the tech you want of course. It shows what the bar is.

Still bloody well whanging on.
So there I was yesterday sat on the loo in the motorway services, looked at the small gap at the bottom of the stall dividers and thought to myself well that's no fucking problem, adequate privacy, and necessary, especially as I have a life threatening health condition. Women going in and out, just getting on the way we do.
It all works fine the way it is, there's no need to change it, and if any men want to barge their way in the answer is NO.
They can sort their own fucking toilets out, get on and raise their own consciousnesses and embrace the diversity of men in their own fucking spaces.

It's been argued and explained and studied to fucking death, try something new, listen to women for a change.
Fuckssake.

I don't think they do with fire alarms so shouldn't be doing that here either.
If they did, it could require a lawsuit, especially if an accident happens and they'll have to explain why nobody showed up.

Just to say again that is no tech substitute for robust safeguarding. Particularly while replacing the needed female single sex provisions with mixed sex provisions with the addition of supposed strong technological security measures.

you 'don't think'

god love your naiveté

It's not just naiveté, it's American Naiveté.

"requires a lawsuit"

Consensus knows nothing about the way the UK works, does he?

One of many fire brigades that have this policy on automatic fire alarms (AFAs):

London Fire Brigade policy is that we do not attend Automatic Fire Alarms (AFA) between 7am and 8.30pm, unless someone calls us to confirm that there’s a fire...
Why don’t we attend all AFAs ?

• In 2025 AFAs made up 34% of all incidents we attended – that’s 47,500 calls.
• Less than 1% of calls from non-residential AFAs are ultimately recorded as fires – 99% are false alarms.
• Not attending frees up our firefighters for additional fire prevention and protection work, operational training and to attend real emergencies.

https://www.london-fire.gov.uk/safety/the-workplace/automatic-fire-alarms/afa-policy/

That's it, thank goodness! Catch you on the flip side.