Be Kind 2.0 and the "Persuasive TRA"

[BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth]

This is a spinoff from another thread so as not to derail the original.

I thought it would be helpful to have a separate thread to discuss, and document, a phenomenon I have been seeing more regularly recently: the Persuasive TRA.

It occurred to me, after a few posters noted that the recent U-turns by a couple of politicians, and the wheedling TRA responses to the EHRC guidance, were akin to an abuser changing tactics and also asking us to "help" them in the new single-sex regime, that the whole thing is starting to pan out exactly as an abusive relationship often does. When is the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship? Normally, when she is leaving.

Well, women are leaving the abusive relationship with non-reality that men forced upon us some 15 years ago, and I would argue that now might be our most dangerous/difficult moment.

This is what I posted on the other thread:

I'm starting to see a bit more of what I am calling (in my own head) "Persuasive TRA." Now that they have lost everything that they bullied women for, some activists seem to be changing tack. Women must now fix the situation that TRAs have found themselves in. It seems to pivot on a sort of Be Kind 2.0.

I think women who have been in the game long enough will see through it, but we should be watchful. Stonewall is pivoting, activists are pivoting, and they will be preying on women's socialized kindness: watch for the destination and be on your guard.

I have read several posters on different threads appealing to everyone (women) to help calm trans-identified people's (men's) fears about what this new reality will look like, what it will mean for them (the men) now that they can't just do whatever they want anymore. What about the men's toilets? Are they safe? Where will they go? (Who will fix this problem?)

Well, apparently it is a problem that women can fix, if they just take a moment to think about it. Trans-identified men will be unsafe in the men's, so women need to join the fight to give these men something of their own.

Notice the pivot? The pleading? If you just... If you weren't so.... It can be different if you just... Sound familiar? To any woman who is in, or has escaped from, an abusive relationship, this will be all too familiar.

This is Be Kind 2.0. It's very similar to the original, except that instead of being forced to enjoy our abuse, we are being asked to fix it. And the "Persuasive TRAs" seem to be mobilizing, from what I have seen.

It won't start in the middle (with the women); it will start at the top (infiltrating government, think tanks, charities, etc.) and the bottom (schools). But they will use women to get this moving. Why not? It worked so well last time. And I believe that organizations like Stonewall will be leading the charge: the campaign can be something like Safe Spaces for Trans+ : All of Us Together.

If anyone else has seen this in action, it might be useful to keep a record of it here.

I imagine this thread will eventually be taken over by activists, but, until then, I would be interested in your thoughts.

In 2020, this was what I was remembering

Thank you, looks like Stonewall has either forgotten (or think we have forgotten), or don't care.

Transgender Trend have diligently researched all the queer theory groups making a living out of schools and exposed the complicity of the DfE, professional organisations, local authorities & of course schools in enabling them to have uncritical access to children of all ages.

Their complete failure to prioritise safeguarding and the legal requirement for schools to be politically impartial in the face of the demands of "the sacred caste" is shameful.

It really is a weird feeling. I've noticed this argument style a lot recently and it's given me a sense of uncanny valley. I know they are trying to use our arguments against us and yet what they are saying makes no sense. It's the same feeling I get watching a very realistic AI-generated person. In fact, maybe the responses themselves are AI and they've just typed in 'use GC arguments to defend your position'.

You might be on to something, never even considered that. Well, I suppose they will try everything they can, and come at us from all angles!

To borrow a quote that is as old as democracy "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance".

There has also been a lot of 'is' and 'ought' being brought up by the TRAs recently.

Very astute observation, OP. Now that you put it into words, I've realized I have also been seeing this.

Yes, I have noticed that as well, and remarked about it on a couple of threads recently, but the word salad being presented was just impenetrable to me (I suppose that's the point), so I still don't really understand it. It seems to be lifted from some new rule book. Must keep an eye out for it again!

It is reassuring to know that it isn't just me ! Something is shifting, but it's difficult to pin down at the moment, so just trying to keep my eye on lots of avenues.

Great thread with so many excellent observations and points!

The forced teaming suggestions by the TRAs is about 15 years too late for me. They can fuck right off and sort their own mess now. Just imagine how much we could have all achieved if Trans movement hadn't had such absurd and totally illogical demands. Instead it's been years and years of battling to keep hold of and win back our rights.

Something just reminded me- this is something @Igmum picked up on earlier, and she called it "wearing our arguments."

Maybe they are using AI to help them with this.

Yes, sad but true. Now we've witnessed how those who govern and police us were more than happy to to strip us of our protections and legal rights we can never trust them again. How they allowed children to be manipulated and harmed as if it was perfectly acceptable. How these people in power and authority spoke such utter lies with true conviction "her penis" and with a straight face!