Be Kind 2.0 and the "Persuasive TRA"

[BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth]

This is a spinoff from another thread so as not to derail the original.

I thought it would be helpful to have a separate thread to discuss, and document, a phenomenon I have been seeing more regularly recently: the Persuasive TRA.

It occurred to me, after a few posters noted that the recent U-turns by a couple of politicians, and the wheedling TRA responses to the EHRC guidance, were akin to an abuser changing tactics and also asking us to "help" them in the new single-sex regime, that the whole thing is starting to pan out exactly as an abusive relationship often does. When is the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship? Normally, when she is leaving.

Well, women are leaving the abusive relationship with non-reality that men forced upon us some 15 years ago, and I would argue that now might be our most dangerous/difficult moment.

This is what I posted on the other thread:

I'm starting to see a bit more of what I am calling (in my own head) "Persuasive TRA." Now that they have lost everything that they bullied women for, some activists seem to be changing tack. Women must now fix the situation that TRAs have found themselves in. It seems to pivot on a sort of Be Kind 2.0.

I think women who have been in the game long enough will see through it, but we should be watchful. Stonewall is pivoting, activists are pivoting, and they will be preying on women's socialized kindness: watch for the destination and be on your guard.

I have read several posters on different threads appealing to everyone (women) to help calm trans-identified people's (men's) fears about what this new reality will look like, what it will mean for them (the men) now that they can't just do whatever they want anymore. What about the men's toilets? Are they safe? Where will they go? (Who will fix this problem?)

Well, apparently it is a problem that women can fix, if they just take a moment to think about it. Trans-identified men will be unsafe in the men's, so women need to join the fight to give these men something of their own.

Notice the pivot? The pleading? If you just... If you weren't so.... It can be different if you just... Sound familiar? To any woman who is in, or has escaped from, an abusive relationship, this will be all too familiar.

This is Be Kind 2.0. It's very similar to the original, except that instead of being forced to enjoy our abuse, we are being asked to fix it. And the "Persuasive TRAs" seem to be mobilizing, from what I have seen.

It won't start in the middle (with the women); it will start at the top (infiltrating government, think tanks, charities, etc.) and the bottom (schools). But they will use women to get this moving. Why not? It worked so well last time. And I believe that organizations like Stonewall will be leading the charge: the campaign can be something like Safe Spaces for Trans+ : All of Us Together.

If anyone else has seen this in action, it might be useful to keep a record of it here.

I imagine this thread will eventually be taken over by activists, but, until then, I would be interested in your thoughts.

This is my view, too.
They've been so bloody horrible to women that they can stuff off and sort it out for themselves. Any inclination I ever had to help them (and it was there, once) has been whittled away bit by bit, with every pound I've put into a crowdfunder and every woman I've seen doxxed.

I remember once seeing an interview with Jayne Fae and Julie Bindel.
Jayne was all coiffed hair and jangling bracelets and makeup and big earrings and a floral top.
Julie was in a white shirt, black jacket, short hair, no jewellery.

It was instantly obvious which one was the man.

Yeah, the mental health impact on women whose sports were trashed, or who encountered men in changing rooms, and the mental health impact on the parents and siblings of young people who suddenly 'went trans'.... I recall hearing next to nothing about any of that.

Perfect response to any requests surely?!
Sorry I tried to help but was called a bigot and can't risk that happening again
You really are getting the full womanly treatment tho - get used to being ignored and having to do everything yourself

This is an excellent idea. Forget waiting for the next tactic - let's launch this as a thing. now before anyone else gets in with something rubbish!

ETA or support dogs?

Quite.

The HoC farce this afternoon - no mention of women at all, you'd think women had absolutely nothing to do with women's single sex spaces, didn't exist in this matter at all, and that the guidance had been written purely to piss off trans people.

I have the exact same amount of time, concern and energy as this political movement and these men have ever shown for women. Well, actually I do still have more than that because I accord the same basic respect and decency to all human beings and would never treat anyone of any group with so much contempt.

TRAs mobilised pretty much the whole of corporate and civic society to dismantle women’s rights and our status as a category of people distinct from men on a global scale within a couple of decades. In Australia, women are no longer allowed to openly meet without including men. They’ve shown utter contempt for women and insulted us in a million different ways.

As far as I’m concerned TRAs can do their own bloody campaigning for fourth spaces. I won’t be lifting a finger.

Quite.

Refusal to talk. NoDebate.
BeKind.
Verbal aggression and belittling.
Walking on eggshells eg loss of jobs.
Darvo.
Gaslighting aka mirroring.
Whining.

I forsee full on throwing of things. Not necessarily violence against a person but vandalism and out of control marches. The equivalence of throwing the phone at the wall, tipping over chairs and slamming doors. We have already seen some of the masked tras doing it but that's been counter protests rather than the main.

Ive noticed how it is becoming eerily silent like the calm before the storm. The waiting with baited breath for the other shoe to drop. Been there, done that.

My answer has become smaller and more simple over the years. I no longer argue or plead since the SC ruling. My answer is NO.

@BiologicalRobot
"I forsee full on throwing of things. Not necessarily violence against a person but vandalism and out of control marches."

There was that creepy TRA group, bash back, who committed some vandalism recently.

Then there's all the anti-woman protests that have happened anywhere women have congregated to speak about women's rights issues. The ones that come to the top of my mind are pretty much all of the Let Women Speak events, or the piss protests, or the locusts that were released at the LGB Alliance conference.

Edited to add that I totally agree that there's likely to be an escalation now things are not going entirely the TRA way any more.

Thanks for everyone's responses so far. It's been really interesting to see that I'm not the only one seeing a shift in tactics.

Just had a rummage through Stonewall's website. There's the ongoing EHRC guidance whattaboutery, but I'm more interested their other ongoing campaigns and policy work. They seem to be using "LGBTQIA+" and "Trans+" interchangeably at the moment.

At the moment, their work seems to be focused on a mixture of UK (conversion practices, Rainbow Laces, etc.) and global. They've worked with a global law firm called Freshfields (at least I'm assuming that's who they are, it's not specified anywhere that I have found yet) to produce a global report called Pride & Progress (I will refrain from the obvious retort).

In 2025, Stonewall also changed their Workplace Equality Index to "Proud Employers" (nice pivot there, don't call it "equality" now, because it isn't, call it "proud"). It's probably been noted on another thread, but I'll leave it here just for completeness.

Stonewall are also still pushing Inclusive Education, although they seem to admit that this area has been somewhat hindered by the new RSHE guidance to be followed from September 2026.

Lots of posters probably know much more about Stonewall, so please add or subtract as required. I'm not aiming for this thread to be exclusively about Stonewall, but just to have any relevant information in one place, as much as possible.

There will be other organizations we should be watching, so it would be helpful if you could post them on this thread as well.

I will post some text from Stonewall's website below, with links. The links may get the post deleted; if so, I'll repost without links.

These seem to be Stonewall's current projects (relevant)

Pride and Progress Report | Stonewall UK

Proud Employers | Stonewall UK

2025
Stonewall launches a reimagined approach to workplace inclusion and renames the Diversity Champions Programme to ‘Proud Employers’. The Workplace Equality Index is rebranded to the Proud Employers Accreditation, a benchmarking and accreditation tool that organisations can use to assess and progress LGBTQ+ inclusion in their workplace.

Inclusive education | Stonewall UK

They seem to be using "LGBTQIA+" and "Trans+" interchangeably at the moment.

Yes.

Idiot woman MP in the HoC yesterday 'no LGBTQetc person would want this guidance'....

which is not only protecting women, half the LGBTQ population, but also, specifically GAY RIGHTS which as the SCJ stated, cannot exist in law unless there's a biologically based definition of sex.

She meant trans.

Yup. I'm pretty certain even Stonewall is confused right now about what term to use, since they're both made-up terms anyway. They're floundering, and just try to cover all the bases. It'll take a while, but I think eventually we will see where they've landed and where they are heading.

The fact that they are still working in schools worries me. And that I can't find the list of employers on their Proud Employers list. It seems to be hidden behind a "members only" wall.

I can imagine some trans women genuinely feel unsafe in men's toilets. They may even genuinely be unsafe.

I don't imagine the ones getting aggressive in public are typically in this category. Men are usually only violent if they think they can get away with it. A clearly unhinged six-foot-tall man is not a likely target for other men even if he is wearing a dress.

These vocal activists also show such remarkably low levels of empathy for women (they claim to know what it is to be scared in toilets but don't seem to understand how other people might be scared of them!) that one can't help but suspect that making women uncomfortable is actually part of what they're aiming for. Their protests often target women specifically.

So those most vocally campaigning to be in the women's toilets will not accept third or fourth spaces as a compromise. Being in the women's space is the point.

@BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth And that I can't find the list of employers on their Proud Employers list. It seems to be hidden behind a "members only" wall.

They hid the Diversity Chamions list towards the end of its life, but we can look for accreditation logos:
If your organisation achieves accreditation, you will receive a celebration pack that includes your new accreditation logos for use on your communication channels. You will be able to use your accreditation for two calendar years.

Yes. This has been another crowbar though.

If you stand one of the unhinged and obviously sexually focused ones beside say Debbie Hayton, Hayton will make the argument - and has on MN many times - that he's not like that, and he should be allowed in. (And he does not, understandably, want to be in an enclosed space while undressed with the unhinged chap either.)

This does however totally miss the point that:

There is no practicable way to let some men in but not others.

Even the lovely, nice, only quietly and discreetly AGP men - or even not AGP at all ones - still exclude women who cannot use mixed sex spaces.

This is what all parents need to be on the lookout for. The new RHSE guidance and the forthcoming Keeping Children Safe in Education guidance will make it much more difficult for trans extremist / queer theory groups to get legitimate access to children in schools. The problem is transactivist staff and whether leadership teams have the knowledge and competence to manage them and ensure they stop gaslighting children and "queering" the curriculum behind the scenes.
Hopefully parental oversight and children feeling more confident in speaking up as the trans bullies lose their power will result in extremists being limited in getting access to children.

(Sorry - don't mean to derail this fascinating discussion but it's so important to be vigilant with schools).

Not derailing at all! This tidal wave of misogyny has to eventually wash up somewhere, it's not going to just dissipate, as we all know. So it's important to be aware of every angle we can think of. I do think schools and activist employees were a weak point, and still are.

I imagine the brouhaha about toilets will eventually subside, because it never was about toilets anyway. That was just the most visible aspect of the ideology. What most of these men want is to shift society so that they can do whatever they want with women and children. If that wasn't the ultimate goal, then they would never have dragged the rest of us into this mess. And they would still be doing their "things" in private, and most of us would never have known.

Good point, I shall look out for that!

If you are ever bored, and have literally nothing else to do (such as scraping all the tiny scrapings of peanut butter out of a glass jar so you can wash it and recycle it...or similar), you might want to read the following. It's the first of what will no doubt be many "interesting" pieces of evidence I shall look into from time to time (I won't post them all, never fear!).

It starts with a response to an FOI request to the ONS about contact with various "gender ideology " proponents, then the second link is to the "minutes" that ONS provided as part of answering the request.

I've no doubt that this FOI has been shared somewhere on Mumsnet, but life's too short to spend time trying to track it down!

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/meetingswithtransactualstonewallgenderedintelligenceandgiressince2018

https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/meetingswithtransactualstonewallgenderedintelligenceandgiressince2018/collatedmeetingnotesstonewallonsredacted.pdf

Some very interesting reasoning during these discussions...especially with regard to how young is "too young" to declare a gender identity. I know none of this will be new to you...

I'm also on the lookout for any of Stonewall's recent minutes, if anyone has any ideas? So far, no joy on their website, so am now doing searches, when I get a moment.

One to watch:

Diversity Role Models
Charity number: 1142548

Partnered with Stonewall, June 2026

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/news/diversity-role-models-joins-the-stonewall-family-to-expand-support-for-schools-and-young-people-across-the-uk

Activities - how the charity spends its money
DIVERSITY ROLE MODELS ACTIVELY SEEKS TO PREVENT HOMOPHOBIC, BIPHOBIC AND TRANSPHOBIC BULLYING IN UNITED KINGDOM SCHOOLS. WE AIM TO STOP BULLYING BEFORE IT HAPPENS BY EDUCATING ALL YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT DIFFERENCES IN SEXUALITY AND GENDER IDENTITY, BY PROVIDING TRAINING FOR SCHOOL STAFF AND GOVERNORS AND BY OFFERING CONSULTANCY TO SCHOOLS.

We’ve definitely had a thread about them before but I can’t remember the details.

Diversity Role Models? ok,thanks, will see what MN search throws up.

Earlier MN thread about Diversity Role Models, from 2024.
Interesting that Stonewall just decided to partner with them on 2 June, 2026:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5036673-diversity-role-models-charity

It's worse than I had thought ( thanks to @MrsOvertonsWindow)

MrsOvertonsWindow · 26/03/2024 14:50
Safe Schools Alliance & Transgender Trend have exposed how unsuitable these adult activists are to work with children in schools.
The SSA information highlights how DRM's online presence renders them unsuitable to be working with children & clarifies how this breaches DfE guidelines. They openly promote mixed sex changing, showers etc and got into hot water during lockdown for promoting the dodgy "‘love has no age’ and ‘love has no age limit’" paedophile associated slogans in an Asda funded home learning pack.
https://safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Parents-Guide-to-external-PSHE-RSE-providers.pdf
They make a good living out of children in schools but are unfortunately are a queer theory activist group so not politically impartial
https://www.transgendertrend.com/diversity-role-models-conformity-new-ideology/
Lots of information in the links to use in asking the school why they are outsourcing their inclusion work to an adult group like this.

This was the big scandal https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3943889-Asda-partners-with-Diversity-Role-Models-and-gets-angry-response-to-love-has-no-age-limit-message-Edited-by-MNHQ-at-OPS-REQUEST?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share