Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

This is getting silly now. So somebody can claim that ice is hot, the sun is cold, Helsinki lies on the Tropic of Capricorn, gravity doesn't exist, cows grow in trees, Greg Davies is shorter than Warwick Davies... and as long as you believe any of those, that makes them objectively true, in spite of all of the evidence to the contrary?!

@SinuousTendrils I’m a rape survivor. I don’t want any men in my single sex spaces. The law says they aren’t allowed to be there. They cause me trauma not just because of their mere presence but because of the casual disregard for my consent (or more correctly my non-consent) and it triggers my trauma around my rape.

why am I worth so much less than men who are undertaking a voluntary action?

I know you can't trust everything you read on the internet (oh the irony) but a quick look returns '1 in 4500 to 1 in 5000 babies are born with genitalia that cannot b ckearly classified as male or female'
Is this notion that parents want trans children a thing? Blimey.
I accept that i probably don't understand the implications of this, but i think it is reasonable to think there is ambiguity and we as individuals cannot account for the experience of others.
Anyway, I'm off because i am busy and am not immersed enough in this debate to comment further.
I think humans are humans. Many of them are good, others less so.

Why am I worth so much less than a man then?

If there's any ambiguity, genetic testing will clarify what sex a child is.

But as we keep saying, this has nothing to do with being 'trans'. There seems to be no over representation of people with DSDs in people who believe themselves to be trans.

Yes humans are humans. They come in two sexes. This is of zero relevance in some situations, but significantly so in others (reproduction, relationships. competitive sport. access to single sex spaces)

I'm sorry for your experience.
I don't think most trans women are trans women because they want to rape other women despite what we're told by the media.
Certainly not those I know.
But i'm sure there will be plenty of people to tell me otherwise.
I will find some time to read up on these things but i really don't think trans women are the people we should be fearing.

It’s your fault! You made us do it!

what a load of DARVO nonsense.

Trans women are men.

legally, in the uk, they are men. And most retain their sexual organs.

you didn’t answer my question, with respect. Why am I worth so much less then a man who is undergoing a voluntary activity?

I didn't see your question and i didn't say or imply that.
I am aware of the law.
I don't necessarily agree with it.

@SinuousTendrils tagging you again so you can see my question. As you said you hadn’t seen it.

I am aware of the law.
I don't necessarily agree with it.

You don't get to pick & choose the law because you agree with it or not.

I don't think anyone should be allowed breast implants on the NHS unless it's post cancer reconstruction.

Reducing breast size is a health issue and the NHS should cover it.

I don't think anyone needs bigger breasts. If you want them you can pay for it (and not then expect the NHS to pick up the pieces if it goes wrong).

Don't care if the person concerned is male or female.

If you @SinuousTendrils dont agree with the law on access to single sec spaces, you are making me and people like me collateral damage

I can’t even describe what it does to me as mnhq deem it all too upsetting for others to read and delete it.

Maybe come back to this forum and read a few threads before jumping in next time. I mean that kindly; many of us did that before we posted because we quickly realised how much we had to learn about what was actually going on.

I think that what is grim is that you think that it is appropriate to dictate what language I use to accurately describe a person.

If you choose to use inaccurate language to describe the sex category of a person, that is your choice. However, you don't get to choose for me. I don't choose to change my language to act as if I support someone's subjective reality and philosophical belief that doesn't reflect material reality and instead choose to use language that is based on sex not someone's belief about their own subjective reality.

No person is not able to be categorised into a sex category based on their body's formation around either of the two sexual reproductive roles of producing either small gametes or large gametes (regardless of whether those gametes have been produced in the past, are or will be produced).

surely, whatever our beliefs, we can separate out our beliefs on an issue with how we treat an individual. I don’t understand why GCs can’t respect an individual persons pronouns whilst also holding GC beliefs. I am trans inclusive and disagree with GC beliefs but I still treat the individual people who hold those beliefs with respect.

We are very aware that people with DSDs exist.

No people have been born where a medical specialist cannot investigate and understand which gamete type that person's body has been formed to produce (regardless of what the production status is in that body).

Your focus on genitals is actually not as relevant as whether the body is formed to produce large or small gametes.

And yet you dehumanise “GCs”

i refuse to call a man she. My autistic brain plus my trauma means I can’t do it. Pronouns are the thin end of the wedge.

That’s a straw man argument that has no relation to the issue being discussed.

Why do you prioritise someone else's subjective belief over my own need to speak accurately? Why is it that respect has to be shown to a subjective and philosophical belief that doesn't reflect material reality?

Where is the respect shown for me to be able to communicate with accuracy using the established conventions of the English language?

Plus, what other group's philosophical belief do you, personally, act as if you believe in your language when that belief is not based in material reality?

How am I dehumanising? People disagreeing - if done in a respectful way - isn’t dehumanising.

I too am a survivor. I am truly sorry for your experiences - no person should ever experience that. I stand as we all do for tackling violence against women - I just have different views on how we do that and believe we can and should be trans inclusive in how we do that.

I believe we should always foreground an individuals safety and dignity. Using someone’s pronouns doesn’t harm us. It shows basic respect regardless of your wider views.

You called Gender critical people “GCs”

I have extreme trauma around men in women’s single sex spaces. I can’t describe it here as mnhq find it to be too upsetting for others to read.

why aren’t men expected to obey the law? Why am I worth less than a man who is undertaking a voluntary action?