Hamas sexual violence on 7th October attack. Content warning.

[ArabellaScott]

A new investigation has shared more information on details of Hamas' atrocities.

I do urge caution when reading, and don't if you are feeling fragile.

'An independent, Israeli investigation has published harrowing details of "systematic, widespread" sexual violence by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups during the attacks on 7 October 2023, and against hostages.
The 300-page report concludes that rapes, sexual assault and sexual torture were intended "to maximize pain and suffering".
While the UN and others have published reports on sexual violence during the attacks – in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage – this is the most comprehensive.
It draws on 430 filmed interviews with survivors and witnesses, more than 10,000 photographs and videos filmed by attackers, and official records and material from attack sites.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz9k7pzggo

Cool idea, lovely to think it could work. What would stop the rogue Hamas actors committing sexual violence against the Jewish population?

Plenty of them on the CITME board. Heaven forbid we should have a thread about Jewish women being brutalised by Hamas and their compatriots, without 'whataboutery.'

Ah, so there would be no Israel that’s 'killing relentlessly'.
What about Hamas and their supporters?
A real mystery why Israelis wouldn’t want to live in Utopialand with people who launched the October 7th attack and those who enthusiastically celebrated it.

Has anyone else noticed how the “globalise the intifada” scene has magnetised a certain type of upper-middle-class woman?

it’s the new trip to John Lewis, the new spa weekend with the gals. And it’s even more vacuous. No interest in the (many) peace movements headed up jointly by Israelis and Palestinians; no appetite to learn about the conflict-fatigue that weighs upon so many people in the region. No interest, either, in the voice of Druze and Arab Israelis.

No: just the endless, carriage-clock chiming of zealotry. Can’t they stick to flower-arranging and pony rides? It’d be more use to the Palestinians.

How the hell is that a Holocaust?

Indeed. I think most people see these people for what they are.

And before you let rip with a well-fermented “you know nothing about me”, @Dressfinder, consider what kind of person, other than a posh and thick one, would presume to speak on behalf of people in another country, of another religion, in a war that has had zero material effect upon them? The British Mandate expired a long, long time ago. Wake up and taste the coffee.

I can only conclude that Dressfinder does not understand what Holocaust means. Just as well I hadn't said another Shoah.

Someone started a thread about the October 7th sexual attacks on CITME, only a few replies so far.
No comparison to all the threads documenting any wrongdoing by the IDF, including the one about some idiot IDF soldier destroying a Jesus statue in Lebanon.
Hundreds of comments on these.

Ah, you are not anti-Semitic, it is a mere coincidence that the only state in the world you want to be dismantled is Jewish. And a mere coincidence that Zionism is to do with Jews, And because its only a coincidence you can be against Zionism without being anti-Semitic.

The Palestinians never had a state. When, just before Israel was being formed, and the palestinians were also arguing for a state, the person they put forward to lead this was a man who had actively participated in the Holocaust. From then to October 7th I think we can see that those advocating for a Palestinian state were never really into a Jewish Lives Matter type of deal. Palestinians overwhelmingly do not want a state where Jews live as equals. They are quite clear about this - both Hamas and ordinary Palestinians. You are living in a fantasy if you believe otherwise.

There is, of course, a country where Israelis and Palestinian Arabs live as equal citizens with equal rights. Its called Israel.

Zionism is the right of Jews not to be slaughtered. Two thousand years of history taught Jews that they cannot rely on any other country they live in to protect them. They have to rely on themselves.

I don't know, the same thing stopping the rogue IDF - a fair government.
Neither Hamas nor the Israeli governing bodies.

@Dressfinder i think you should stop now, you really are showing your true colours.

Give us a list of all the governments, down the centuries, that have been fair to Jewish people.

Yep, DF should have taken my advice.

Well if we're going to get rid of "ethnostates" lets go the whole hog and get rid of theocracies. End all the massacres of Christians, Armenians, Yazidis etc and other minorities.

It’s simple. Hamas are a terrorist group and they have committed terrible crimes against women. IDF have also committed the same terrible crimes against women as confirmed by the UN, Humanitarian Groups and various countries. Both are a disgrace to humankind and everyone should be outraged and disgusted.
How anyone can take a side, I will never know.

So many replies on this thread remind us why we needed to form our organisation 🤬. We stand with our Jewish sisters and condemn, without equivocation, the use of rape and sexual violence as a tool of war.

some of us were online as the unredacted, live, video began to be broadcast on Oct 7th. We know what we saw and can never unsee it.

what happened on Oct 7 was categorically different from “rape happens in all wars”. This was a deliberate, systematic and brutal use of rape as a weapon.

if you cannot unequivocally condemn it then you are not a Feminist in any definition we understand.

Ask all the keffiyeh wearing twits to explain why they support Hamas. Especially women, gays, trans etc. It's antisemitism, they support anyone who opposes Israel.

Dressfinder might want to look up the ethnic composition of the surrounding Arab states and compare them to Israel and then look at the fact that Israel's large (and growing) Arab population have full equal legal rights as citizens, and then compare this to the situation of minorities in some other Arab countries. They might then find that their concerns about ethnostates may be better directed at countries other than Israel.

This. That organisation is called Feminists Against AntiSemitism if anyone wants to look it up.

You don’t know? Bit you’re a supporter of this plan, surely you have thought it through?

the last few years I have seen some harrowing footage from all over the world. Not just the Palestine/Isreal conflict, but from everywhere. I genuinely believe that the only side that I can support is the rise of the matriarchy. I think I’ve almost been radicalised to not hate men as a race, but to be repulsed by their actions so much that I can’t choose any side other than I stand with women. Your average woman isn’t capable of the harm that the average man is. I stand with women and children. I am sick of whatabouttery/oneupmanship. I’m sick of left/right if I’m honest. I just want a safer world for women and children. I was at my local museum during school holidays and myself, a Muslim woman and Jewish lass were all sat together saying how much the school holidays were getting on our tits as our kids were learning about why we shit laughing at poo. I just think, women would have never ever created this divide. We’d be a village without men ruining it. And we aren’t anymore. We’re all so far into worrying about our safety and the safety of our communities and children that we are so divided. And united we could have stood together but we are so opposed and divided we’ve only the option of falling. But I mean this with my whole heart, I don’t know a single woman from any “side” (I have friends who support both sides of conflict) who would ever leave another woman alone with the men from their side. Women don’t want to see other women raped/killed/harmed in anyway. That’s why we need each other. Anyway I’ll take my radicalised hippy bollocks off to do the school run now.

Live under which government?

Hamas planned a military operation which targeted defenceless young people at a music festival and then celebrated on camera.

They knew exactly what they were doing.