Do you avoid the bathroom if there is a transwoman?

[PeachyDaisy]

I’m going to an industry event next week and I know there will be a transwoman attending. Should I use the disabled bathroom to avoid an awkward encounter or just continue to use the women’s and hope not to run into them?

Unless you have any reason to believe this person to be dangerous, it wouldn't bother me finding them in the Ladies'.

A door cannot vet individual intent or perform a background check. The moment you change the boundary from an objective biological line to 'only exclude them if they look dangerous,' you have entirely erased the perimeter that keeps women and girls safe. Your personal indifference is not a safeguarding framework.

@GenialHarrietGrouty , You're really saying: "until you have any reason to believe a man is dangerous, it wouldn't bother me finding a man in the Ladies"??

Did you really say that?

Seriously? It involves typing 3 characters; 9 if you want a more targeted seach. How many hundreds of irrelevant ones have you typed here instead?

Safeguarding women and girls from the male sex is not a 'conservative culture war belief'—it is a permanent, immutable requirement of human reality.

To claim that biology doesn't reflect how people exist in the real world is total nonsense. In the real world, biological males possess a massive physical power advantage over biological females, and the vast majority of sexual and violent offences against women are committed by the male sex. That is why separate facilities were established in the first place: for safety, privacy, and basic human dignity.

100% agree. Nothing is changing, or has changed in this respect.

Majority groups have been focusing on removing trans people from the general population since at least the 1930s. Trans people achieved a lot of visibility in recent years, after many decades of existing on the margins without legal or social acceptance. All people deserve safety, privacy dignity, including trans people.

The law isn't changing because of a 'permissive' or 'conservative' trend; the law is stepping in because forcing women to ignore their natural safeguarding instincts to accommodate male feelings has proven to be dangerous and unsustainable.

A considerable amount of money and time is being expended by American conservative christian organisations on both sides of the Atlantic, by gender critical people and their groups to control trans women specifically. Sure, they will claim their concentration on trans women is to support and protect women (from men), but anyone with eyes and ears can pay attention.

It didn't take me long to pick up on the sex realist attributions of deviance and violence upon trans women. The layers of assigned motivation constructed during the monstering of trans women only subtracts from the claims of safeguarding and protection.

Forced subjugation into 3rd spaces is well underway here. No cultural effort to remove a minority group into 3rd spaces has ever been fairly implemented or permanently successful.

Despite your AI/chatGPT word salad barely making sense, I can remind you that for around 200 years the male sex and the female sex have been segregated without any problems at all. And we will continue to make sure this happens despite the Mens Rights Movement seeking to destablise and remove this long established right.

No I don't

Can't possibly commentwhen you talk about living in Australia....

It's the opposite side of the world.

Wishing you the best though.

Is there a rule here that states anything longer than 100 words must be AI/chatGPT?

Sex realists believe every trans person is a MRA. Try harder.

It's the 'language', not the length. The language reads like it's from a thesis run through AI. All trans activists seem to 'speak' exactly the same way, like a robot reading from a thesis or doctorate run through AI. Rather than just talk normally.

For example "attributions of deviance and violence upon trans women. The layers of assigned motivation constructed during the monstering of trans women only subtracts from the claims of safeguarding and protection.
Forced subjugation into 3rd spaces is well underway here. No cultural effort to remove a minority group into 3rd spaces has ever been fairly implemented or permanently successful."

Sounds like you're either trying to impress a Doctorate Professor with your words, or you've run it through some strange robot type thing.

Every Trans Ideologist that seeks to remove female only spaces is an MRA.
Try harder.

I'm an activist (and an ideologist) now. Good to know.

This is ChatGPT response to a request for 'plain language' of the quote you shared. Genuine AI:
"Sex realists make false statements about trans women, including claims of violence or bad behavior. These false claims are compounded to justify treating them unfairly, but they don’t actually make anyone safer. Right now, trans women are being pushed into marginalized or separate areas of society. Historically, trying to isolate a minority group like this has never worked fairly or lasted successfully."

Yes, a Mens Rights Activist. If you seem to remove female only hard won single sex spaces, then at least own that.

I have lived more than 40 years as an adult woman. I'm not trying to remove anything. Your labels and beliefs don't erase my experience, nor those of others.

You don't believe in female only spaces.

You do seek to erase them. At least own it.

You have no lived experience as a female or woman. Cultural appropriation of the oppressed sex class is not experience, and your labels, beliefs and appropriation of womens oppression will never succeed in erasing female only spaces, as you lose the war and we increasingly win tribunal after tribunal, court case after court case. You can't have ever believed feminists wouldn't fight to hold onto our sex based rights.

40 years of life is not appropriation.

Your belief that everything in a person's life must be assigned as experience of a sex category of birth and foetal development rather than life experienced outside of the womb is part of the sex realist imagination.

Sex and gender are experienced outside the womb. Tribunals and court cases will continue to deliberate upon the rare situation where someone was disturbed by the presence of a trans person in opposition to their beliefs. Trials are a part of a well established political project in the UK at this point.

4 days or 40 years is still appropriation.

Your post could be changed to racial cultural appropriation a la Rachel Dolezal, and it would show the absolute appropriation by an oppressor class of the oppressed. Your belief that culturally appropriating female oppression means you are a woman is very flawed. If you were a woman you would understand how we are oppressed based on our sex and our rights are based on our sex. Appropriating the oppression of another group will always be abhorrent and will never be a civil right.

I'm sure you will tell me now about the diagnoses and medical procedures Rachel Dolezal underwent before receiving cultural and state-documented acknowledgement of her reassignment of race? How many millions of Rachels are there out there across the world and across cultures? Has there been research on this for decades? The Rachel Dolezal comparison is always just basic transphobia.

I have a life, lived well. There is nothing sex realists can do to make my experiences untrue.

Oh yes because trans racialism isn't a real thing, right? Diagnosis is an excuse that those with misogyny and femphobia give. Appropriation is appropriation, and you will never have the experience of the female sex no matter how much you wish you did, and there is nothing you can do about that unfortunately.

we're now at the i know you are but what am I stage of sex realist debate. I'm going to bed. ta

I have to use a third space as im disabled. Everyone know im disabled. They can see it. I can think they don’t but the facts are that they do.

I don’t like using a disabled space. But in order to participate in society thats what I have to do.

additionally, I had to move buildings and have extra security put in place so everyone knows that im different to the normal person

why shouldn’t you have to do the same? As much as you would like things to be one way, they’re not so why shouldn’t you have to use a fourth space, as I have to use a third space?

I'm sorry that you're unable to use conventional toilets. It sounds like your employer has found a solution to your needs, as difficult as it was for everyone concerned.

I'm assuming you are asking me ('you') the questions and not 'trans people.' I've had no experience with 'trans people' for a very long time.

You're suggesting that I be must be labeled and separated as an individual requiring special accommodation. In order for this to occur, I must be outed, identified and recategorised by every person and entity I interact with as a trans woman. Even though it is more than forty years after I finished my transition and separated myself from the trans community of the time. There is no UK-based mechanism that I am aware of that can change my legal status from 'woman' to whatever status would allow/require me to then subsequently apply for a GRC. Not knowing what status a GRC even conveys at this moment of time.

Then, after all of the above happens, the legitimate aim here has nothing to do with me or my rights... It removes me from spaces to preserve the perception of dignity and safety for the 99+% of people who are not trans who apparently share genuinely held beliefs about trans people.

If the 99+% wish to remove trans people from the 99+%'s sex-based spaces, they don't need any prompting from trans people. They know they must start building those proportionate means fourth spaces now.

If a person has not been upfront about the sex they materially are (ie. Not the sex they use philosophical theory, hormone supplements and surgery to be their concept of. All while never being able to change their sex.), it is not the responsibility of anyone else to continue to enable that. Creating a legal fallacy around sex category was still a fallacy and was never appropriate because it caused harm to female people who required the ability to exclude people who demanded to be seen as female people but who are not female people.

If a person has made a decision to
act as if they are something they believe they are in their own subjective reality that is not based on material reality, no person needs to act as if that subjective reality is material reality. It is emotionally manipulative to put that responsibility onto any other person.

Male people are not female and never were. If male people do not wish to use the publicly accessible male single sex provisions created for them, then they have to start campaigning to have alternative provisions built for them in addition to female single sex provisions. Access to female single sex provisions should never have been considered the ‘right’ of any male person.

It is also not female people’s responsibility to make those provisions happen either.

Guess you'd better just use the men's then.

I’m labelled and outed as a disabled person and a rape victim.

what’s different about you that means that you shouldn’t be ?

you have a condition that means you have to, under law, access a space in terms of toilets, that you don’t want to.

why shouldn’t you have to be outed? What’s different about your feelings that means I have to be outed for my special characteristics and you don’t?

Ps. The mechanism is your legal sex. But you know that.