Watch in real time as Trans Reddit turns on one of it's own for suggesting that maybe they are biological men and arguing they are not makes them look unstable.

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www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1t0t604/trans_girl_says_were_all_biological_males/

I know.

I was just saying that if trans women want to come here and explain to us how to do womaning properly, or why our experiences are “exclusionary” and therefore to be minimised or not discussed, they are welcome, but they can expect pushback and questions, and indeed, discourse.

What they can’t expect is unquestioning validation of gender identity beliefs. There is the rest of the internet for validation of the belief you can change sex and playing games with words.

Did that happen to a 15 year old boy in the UK?

Ah, medically trained parents. Medically trained like dear old Dr Shipman, or the innovative Dr Mengele who was another highly medically trained individual not averse to performing medical experiments on non consenting minors.

The only protected characteristic that gets this brazen type of challenge aimed at them is sex. Specifically female sex.

Imagine being enough of a cheeeeeeeky bastard to come and tell the very (protected characteristic) people you're trying to emanate that they're mistaken about what they are (not who.)
And that despite knowing there's a well embedded social contract in how these people are supported and why we have it - then saying no, we won't do that anymore now, cos I'm one of you now. Which means I've just changed what you are too.

Fucking mind blowing really.

And the science bits are just 😬

Are kids not being taught critical thinking? and that bias and misinformation exists on the left.

Honestly, I just despair.

The absolute fucking nerve.

The attempt to distract us from the spectacle of a group of people so mentally deluded and solipsistic that a dog or a parrot recognising their sex was a cause of distress that they thought others should catastrophise over has been partly successful.

It was more varied if not more interesting that manypost's me-me-meing.

I think two factors are relevant here@ThatFairy.

One, that respect goes both ways.

Respect entails regard for the wishes, feelings and rights of others. If you’ve read all the posts on this thread, women have pointed out that their feelings and experiences, intimately connected to the female anatomy that shapes and influences those experience, are not being respected by this poster.

This is in contrast to other trans identifying posters who engage in discussions on these threads and who are able to acknowledge that surgery and medication does not mean that they have become the opposite sex. Only that they are more comfortable living as though they were the opposite sex. You’ll find those posters have been engaged with respectfully.

Two, that what you’re reading is female frustration and anger, not being ’mean’.

These feelings arise from the many repeated attempts by trans identifying men (and some women but interestingly not any trans identifying women afaik) who come on these threads to chastise, to berate, dismiss, belittle and demean women’s concerns. They come to appropriate the language that women use to express their experiences of femaleness and sexism and to insist everyone on these threads must be compelled to agree. Or we’re ‘mean’.

After years of these experiences, being told to ‘bekind’ wears thin.

The partially-sentient service bipeds showing malfunctioning behaviours and unapproved cognitive processes is "unkind" and "mean" don't you know!

I’d go for a Phoby McPhobeface

And just to be clear, even if your dentist gives you similar teeth to those of a lion it won’t mean you qualify as a top predator on the Serengeti. It doesn’t work like that.

All I want is everyone to obey the law and for men to respect women’s no.

it’s not hard.

if they’re paying for it, I don’t care what anyone else does to their body. They can create whatever they like to make themselves into whatever they want.

if the nhs is paying for it, I don’t think it should be.

to compare a male vanity project to a cancer survivor’s reconstructive surgery is abhorrent.

I suppose that you can use 'teeth' as shorthand, but in reality your implants are ceramic crowns held in your jaw via titanium screws. (I have one implant + crown and several crowns on natural teeth following a couple of accidents.)

However, we know that our implants are not real teeth, not least because there are very specific procedures required in order to care for them - it's not as straightforward as looking after real teeth.

I really want to change my name now

Basically, they're a particular type of false/fake teeth.

I had misconceptions about them until I saw the specialist dentist who fitted my implant and crown/fake tooth for me. (Thinking about it, it's not quite the same as crown, in that it doesn't fit over an existing tooth, but is held on via a titanium screw.)

If you're unlucky enough to need a whole set, then it's really just a case of getting your false teeth held in permanently. There's a popular misconception that you get one titanium screw per tooth and that's not how the procedure is done by an ethical dentist.

According to the private hospital where I had mine fitted, if they were to fit one screw per artificial tooth, the jaw would crumble. If a full set of dentures is required, they fit 4 screws and then add the prothesis.

Oh no! Women were mean to a man! We were not being kind! What should we do?

I’m thinking more John Money or Volkmar Sirtusch….

I’m stunned that a sex change surgery was done on a 15 year old boy in the U.K.

absolutely stunned.

I think those examples are a bit tasteless.

To be honest, I assumed that it would have to be South-East Asia. I'm not aware that 'gender affirming care' of that kind has ever been legally available to a minor in the UK.

@onepostwonder can you please clarify - the sex change surgery on the 15 year old that you referenced. Was that done in the U.K.?

Why? Those are doctors. Ok, evil nasty ones but still doctors.

I wonder if this statement comes in the same category as that poster’s miraculous use of PB before they were available and his “female puberty” ….

Nazi atrocities are not an appropriate comparator. For pretty much anything.

No male person gives a ‘reasoned’ response that positions themselves as being in anyway female or having any body part that should be using any language that is for uniquely female body parts .

Nor should any poster be spreading misinformation about how human sex is categorised.

Any posts doing so are not ‘reasoned’ and this is a feminist board. Why should female people have to treat with respect any male posters who demand that we treat their beliefs about their subjective reality as if it is material reality, when that subjective reality is clearly not material reality.

Maud will be modelling her version of yours and @TwoLoonsAndASprout t shirts.

Personally I don't think she's put much effort in to those designs!

I mean, they have a certain lo-fi appeal.

And she matched her kerchief to her trainers!