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Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

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quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 18:43

Terrribletwos · Yesterday 18:10

Or China?

If they were actually female....

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:43

Helleofabore · Yesterday 18:24

"I am weighing it with other risks, concerns and outcomes."

There are no contexts that remove male people from the group of overall male people for the purpose of robust safeguarding based on single sex provision access. Because for every 'other risk, concern and outcome' that you can list that you feel should move that group of male people into the female single sex class, we can list more that would negate that category move.

So, no. There is no context that will move a male person out of the general male population for risk assessment purposes for access to female single sex provisions by male people who have a subjective belief that they are female in any way when this is not material reality.

"It isn't my own special definition of female sex category. I share the belief of trans women being women with many others."

Well, it is true that many people can believe in falsehoods. It doesn't mean that it will ever be material reality. It is your own special definition because you also keep centring yourself in your definition as a call to authority to support your definition.

There are some people who have sex realist beliefs. There are others who do not. There is very little likelihood of agreement about the allowable integration of trans people amongst non-trans people in spaces and other culturally relevant groupings.

Terrribletwos · Yesterday 18:44

quantumbutterfly · Yesterday 18:43

If they were actually female....

So true!

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:44

nutmeg7 · Yesterday 18:10

Transwomen on here just keep on demonstrating that they are completely ignorant of what growing up in a female body means.

No wonder they focus on their new definition of woman as “anyone who looks a bit like a woman” or anyone who “feels like a woman” or anyone who is “treated like a woman by absolutely everyone they meet”. Whatever any of that means. It’s circular definitions and projection all the way down.

They do not have our lived experience of being FEMALE. That is all a woman is. All the rest is a bag of horseshit stereotyping.

They could not come across more male if they tried. Not one tiny acknowledgement that we might just have quite a different life experience to them; no, they cannot admit that there might be experiences they know nothing about, and can never understand.

100% male. 100% arrogant assumptions and 100% attempt at appropriating something they simply do not understand.

Male! Male! Male!

You've been heard.

ChappellApple · Yesterday 18:45

HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

Love. Love. Love!!! I have researched all of this intensely (and I know how to conduct proper academic research, having a first-class degree in the social sciences myself). I have skin in the game, as my youngest is trans, male, and we (together with the correct professionals) supported him to transition socially. He is so much happier than those poor young people who you hear of who are ostracised by families and their immediate social circles, who do not have a clue, who would rather see their kids suffer for the sake of 'saving face'. Such an awesome young person, loved by all, and that is all that matters! Well, guess what? We're out and proud! With one trans kid and another bi kid! And no one is denying his biological sex, but that his gender identity doesn't align with it. We just want him healthy and happy x

MrsColinRobinson · Yesterday 18:46

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RufustheFactualReindeer · Yesterday 18:46

MoistVonL

agree with your posts…not just yours obvs 💐

TheWickerFan · Yesterday 18:47

ChappellApple · Yesterday 18:45

Love. Love. Love!!! I have researched all of this intensely (and I know how to conduct proper academic research, having a first-class degree in the social sciences myself). I have skin in the game, as my youngest is trans, male, and we (together with the correct professionals) supported him to transition socially. He is so much happier than those poor young people who you hear of who are ostracised by families and their immediate social circles, who do not have a clue, who would rather see their kids suffer for the sake of 'saving face'. Such an awesome young person, loved by all, and that is all that matters! Well, guess what? We're out and proud! With one trans kid and another bi kid! And no one is denying his biological sex, but that his gender identity doesn't align with it. We just want him healthy and happy x

Maybe you could link us to the evidence to back up what he’s saying then since the OP doesn’t seem keen to.

RufustheFactualReindeer · Yesterday 18:47

Are people allowed to say cult now? I thought it was a deletable word

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:47

Waitwhat23 · Yesterday 18:38

It's just the latest in a long list of sneering descriptions by TRA's for women who know that sex is real and important and that single sex spaces should be just that.

It used to be biological essentialist, interspersed with genital obsessive.

What's next? I'm guessing something along the lines of 'anti magic-y thinking bigot!!'

But it won't be an insult of course....

Anti fantasist. Spoiling all our hopes, dreams and pieces in the sky.

This is simply an alternative version of the gaslighting husband who hates his wife for 'trapping' him with a baby and then having the audacity to expect him to clean up his own shit, look after his own offspring and take responsibility and earn some money without shagging every other female he makes. Damn those women spoiling all the fun and getting in the way of the x-box.

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:48

Taztoy · Yesterday 17:42

Why would you have been culled @onepostwonder ?

I'm not going to answer this (from anyone).

ElenOfTheWays · Yesterday 18:48

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · Yesterday 09:52

Haha. At last a question I can be bothered with answering :-)

I was struggling to find a username. And I'm a big fan of Iggy Pop who a) is a f*cking legend, and b) used to perform with clear plastic trousers so you could see his dick.

So, well, that, I guess.

This answer tells us more about you than you might care for us to know

MrsColinRobinson · Yesterday 18:49

RufustheFactualReindeer · Yesterday 18:47

Are people allowed to say cult now? I thought it was a deletable word

I'm testing the process and living dangerously today 😂

Taztoy · Yesterday 18:49

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:48

I'm not going to answer this (from anyone).

Ok. I was trying to understand is all but fair enough.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 18:51

Taztoy · Yesterday 18:49

Ok. I was trying to understand is all but fair enough.

Presumably because of something they couldn’t just identify out of.

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 18:51

RufustheFactualReindeer · Yesterday 18:47

Are people allowed to say cult now? I thought it was a deletable word

Considering how frequently the OP is using it, I'd say it's allowed now.

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:52

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 17:47

Please explain how, as women, we distinguish those who found Gender Jesus upon conviction from the run of the mill male who finds GJ because it gives him a thrill to insert himself in women’s intimate spaces or makes it easier for him than for any actual woman to achieve sporting records, and why those people should be treated differently from any other male.

I am wondering why sex realists are attempting to create a ludicrously grand trans woman unification scenario that defends their belief that sex is solely relevant based on one's cellular configuration at conception.

RufustheFactualReindeer · Yesterday 18:52

MrsColinRobinson · Yesterday 18:49

I'm testing the process and living dangerously today 😂

Its been bandied about with wild abandon by some posters 😀

RufustheFactualReindeer · Yesterday 18:53

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 18:51

Considering how frequently the OP is using it, I'd say it's allowed now.

Thats what i was thinking!! One rule and all that…

Taztoy · Yesterday 18:55

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:52

I am wondering why sex realists are attempting to create a ludicrously grand trans woman unification scenario that defends their belief that sex is solely relevant based on one's cellular configuration at conception.

I can’t cope with a man in a woman’s single sex space. If I explain why it will be deleted as too upsetting for others to read. Which upsets me but that’s the rules here.

regardless of how you present, I will hear you as a man. See your hands, gait, jaw line and god knows how many other small tells and your presence will completely traumatise me.

I am really sorry that you have been lied to, but you can’t legally access women’s single sex spaces

Waitwhat23 · Yesterday 19:03

ludicrously grand trans woman unification scenario that defends their belief that sex is solely relevant based on one's cellular configuration at conception

That sentence is just begging to be set to music. Perhaps sung by a SSAA choir who perform the whole piece wearing expressions of incredulity at the madness of gender ideology.

Igmum · Yesterday 19:03

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · Yesterday 09:54

I think it's more dangerous for a lone transwoman to go into a male bathroom than it is for her to go into the female bathroom.

Happy to have cleared that up for you.

That’s rather misogynistic.

Even if it is - and the UK evidence is that TW are far far more likely to be perpetrators than victims - what about the women already using those facilities? This answer suggests their only function is as support humans/NPCs to keep the TW safe and happy. Why is male on male violence seriously women’s problem to solve? If there is a problem in the men’s toilets why aren’t you pushing for more gender neutral toilets?

sanluca · Yesterday 19:05

Onepostwonder doesn't care about your feelings, Taztoy. All he cares about is himself and how he is the exception to the rule that men can change into women.

Sad but true. And then berates women for not having empathy to the situation transwomen find themselves in: not accepted or wanted by women, but not accepted by men either. It is then easier in society to try and force women to at least shut up and look the other way when using womens facilities.
Sadly no longer working for them.

onepostwonder · Yesterday 19:06

Taztoy · Yesterday 18:55

I can’t cope with a man in a woman’s single sex space. If I explain why it will be deleted as too upsetting for others to read. Which upsets me but that’s the rules here.

regardless of how you present, I will hear you as a man. See your hands, gait, jaw line and god knows how many other small tells and your presence will completely traumatise me.

I am really sorry that you have been lied to, but you can’t legally access women’s single sex spaces

Edited

I am sorry you have experienced this in life. I think I may have read some of this in previous threads.

I do understand self-preservation and protection. What you believe about how I or other trans women present is based on your experience. No one can tell you that you are wrong. I will not.

Taztoy · Yesterday 19:06

sanluca · Yesterday 19:05

Onepostwonder doesn't care about your feelings, Taztoy. All he cares about is himself and how he is the exception to the rule that men can change into women.

Sad but true. And then berates women for not having empathy to the situation transwomen find themselves in: not accepted or wanted by women, but not accepted by men either. It is then easier in society to try and force women to at least shut up and look the other way when using womens facilities.
Sadly no longer working for them.

I’m not an emotional support human just because I have a vagina.

if a trans woman isn’t safe in a male single sex space, why is that women’s problem to solve?

why don’t the men have to budge up to make room for the non-gender confirming men?

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