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Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

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Igneococcus · Yesterday 18:10

EdithStourton · Yesterday 15:51

Curiously, a few weeks we had a young fellow with a Spanish name doing some work for us. He was from Venezuela. His family had left the Socialist Paradise because it was a bit shit, really, and he shed no tears for Maduro.

Years ago I knew someone who had fled Czechoslovakia, never expecting to see her parents and brother again. Once again, the Socialist Paradise hadn't quite worked out. (Fortunately, communism collapsed and she was reunited with her family.)

I regularly listen to a (mostly non-political) podcaster, originally from Bulgaria. He got the hell out, hoping to make it and not be disappeared. Several times it has become clear how highly he values freedom.

I briefly knew a Chinese academic, who refused to have her lectures recorded and available on the internet, in case she said anything that could be used against her family back in the Socialist Paradise.

Greens? Yeah, no.

Yeah, I grew up an easy one hour drive away from the inner-German border on the western side luckily. I've been to East Berlin a few years before the wall came down, crossing the DDR on the Transitautobahn. I remember the reports every time someone died trying to cross to the West. People have such short memory.

nutmeg7 · Yesterday 18:10

Transwomen on here just keep on demonstrating that they are completely ignorant of what growing up in a female body means.

No wonder they focus on their new definition of woman as “anyone who looks a bit like a woman” or anyone who “feels like a woman” or anyone who is “treated like a woman by absolutely everyone they meet”. Whatever any of that means. It’s circular definitions and projection all the way down.

They do not have our lived experience of being FEMALE. That is all a woman is. All the rest is a bag of horseshit stereotyping.

They could not come across more male if they tried. Not one tiny acknowledgement that we might just have quite a different life experience to them; no, they cannot admit that there might be experiences they know nothing about, and can never understand.

100% male. 100% arrogant assumptions and 100% attempt at appropriating something they simply do not understand.

Terrribletwos · Yesterday 18:10

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 17:07

If you lived in Vulgaria maybe. 🤯

Or China?

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 18:11

Helleofabore · Yesterday 17:46

Ok.

There is no context where a group of male people is considered to be not 'male people' for the analysis of risk when it comes to risk assessment for female single sex provisions though.

So, how are you including it within a context that is not compromising female people's safeguarding?

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

Don't forget that there is also apparently a special definition of 'trans'.

WarriorN · Yesterday 18:13

No person with a working moral compass would ever put an trans identified female into a male prison.

Thus, your entire argument falls apart.

You have free will and speech to play make believe and abuse women on a mothering site bit at the end of the day, every single human that ever existed came out of a woman.

HTH

Helleofabore · Yesterday 18:14

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 18:11

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

Don't forget that there is also apparently a special definition of 'trans'.

this is true it seems.

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:15

Helleofabore · Yesterday 17:46

Ok.

There is no context where a group of male people is considered to be not 'male people' for the analysis of risk when it comes to risk assessment for female single sex provisions though.

So, how are you including it within a context that is not compromising female people's safeguarding?

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

There is no context where a group of male people is considered to be not 'male people' for the analysis of risk when it comes to risk assessment for female single sex provisions though.

There would literally be a context identified where it is decided relevant or not.

So, how are you including it within a context that is not compromising female people's safeguarding?

I am weighing it with other risks, concerns and outcomes.

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

It isn't my own special definition of female sex category. I share the belief of trans women being women with many others.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 18:16

onepostwonder · Yesterday 16:00

If you have considered male violence against women and girls, and still conclude that males should enter female intimate spaces, then you have decided female privacy and consent matter less.

I can answer this from my experience. It's not going to be compatible with sex realist beliefs, but this will be unsurprising.

Trans women are not men. Yes, some trans women appear and act very 'manly' for values of 'man.' I've spent some time trying to understand what is different today vs when I transitioned—to try to understand what is behind the sex realist belief of 'gender ideology.' In simple terms, it's likely something around society's accommodation of visible and out trans people and public inclusion and acceptance of visually trans lives in culture rather than those of us who checked all the boxes for social integration and 'made sense.'

Deciding and/or believing trans women are women means they are women (no, not for all purposes and circumstances, but in general, socially. No woman is identical to all other women in all circumstances.) Including trans women as women does not diminish women. It does not displace women. Women do not require consent to be amongst women. Deciding to label all trans women men does not alter the reality that many trans women go through life as women. However, many more trans women remain identifiable as trans women (or, 'men' as you say).

Believing trans women are women does not mean female privacy and consent matter less. It means all women are women and deserve privacy and dignity.

Women cannot assess which males are safe by appearance, identity or assertion. That is exactly why single-sex spaces exist.

No we can't. I can't determine who is absolutely vile or dangerous while I move about my day. But we are all forced to be in proximity to strangers in many circumstances and environments. We have laws and cultural ideals that seem to do a mostly okay job at regulating behaviour, but are not perfect.

Single-sex spaces don't exist because of male appearance, identity or assertion. I think this is a convenient assessment, because it aligns with gender critical beliefs, but males are at most half of the story.

Secondly, I believe most people can determine whether a visible trans person is either in or completed transition. The PC of gender reassignment protects those in and around the process of reassignment of sex. It doesn't protect a belief in sex reassignment, it specifically addresses a person engaged within a process ("any part of a process undertaken under medical supervision for the purpose of reassigning a person’s sex by changing physiological or other characteristics of sex.")

Sex realist assignments of types and motivations upon trans people don't make a difference. Under sex realist beliefs, life is binary. Everything else is meaningless.

I have major feelings about the motivations of some people. I can't control who i interact with other than avoid them when they make themselves obvious.

The compromise is simple: female spaces for females, male spaces for males, and single-user provision for anyone who needs it.

This isn't a compromise. It's a social declaration based on an narrow definition of sex reliant upon a person's moment of conception rather than the physical and social reality of life.

What is not a compromise is making women absorb male risk, then calling it kindness.

Defining trans women as 'male risk' is a choice.

Edited

it specifically addresses a person engaged within a process ("any part of a process undertaken under medical supervision for the purpose of reassigning a person’s sex by changing physiological or other characteristics of sex.")

That’s not entirely accurate. The PC also covers those ‘proposing to undergo’ the process. There’s no requirement to have started that process.

ElenOfTheWays · Yesterday 18:18

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · Yesterday 09:32

Practicality.

I think it's reasonable and practical to establish women-only rape crisis centres and prisons. I also think it's fair to ask trans women to not participate in the female category in women's elite sports.

I don't think it's reasonable or practical to ask trans women to use male bathrooms or changing rooms in public spaces. In fact, I think it's dangerous to do so.

It isn't. A lot of trans identified men use the correct male facilities and no harm has come to them. Neither raped (a common AGP fantasy) nor beaten up.

And even if it did, women are not shields for vulnerable men. Especially not at the expense of their OWN safety and dignity.

More women have been assaulted by men in the ladies than trans identified men have in the gents.

Trans Identified men want to use women's facilities for validation and sexual fetish reasons - not for safety.

Many of them openly admit this.

They also try to tell us that WE don't want them in the men's room either lest our husbands be tempted to cheat with them. So... not so scared then?

In summary. It's all bollocks and men need to stay out of women's single sex spaces. ALL of them.

Since this has now been shown to be the law anyway, what exactly are you arguing about?

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:19

Waitwhat23 · Yesterday 17:51

I always amused at 'sex realist' being used as an insult.

Even for the particularly GI captured, surely they have a moment of 'hang on a minute....'

Okay, this time I will respond. It is not an insult.

I personally am quite critical of gender, it's difficult not to be. My feelings are incompatible with what I see written about trans people in so called 'gender critical' spaces. Sex realist beliefs all seem to reference the overriding significance of sex chromosomes, this is why I use 'sex realist.'

EdithStourton · Yesterday 18:24

Igneococcus · Yesterday 18:10

Yeah, I grew up an easy one hour drive away from the inner-German border on the western side luckily. I've been to East Berlin a few years before the wall came down, crossing the DDR on the Transitautobahn. I remember the reports every time someone died trying to cross to the West. People have such short memory.

I remember those reports too, when they made it into the UK press.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 18:24

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:15

There is no context where a group of male people is considered to be not 'male people' for the analysis of risk when it comes to risk assessment for female single sex provisions though.

There would literally be a context identified where it is decided relevant or not.

So, how are you including it within a context that is not compromising female people's safeguarding?

I am weighing it with other risks, concerns and outcomes.

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

It isn't my own special definition of female sex category. I share the belief of trans women being women with many others.

"I am weighing it with other risks, concerns and outcomes."

There are no contexts that remove male people from the group of overall male people for the purpose of robust safeguarding based on single sex provision access. Because for every 'other risk, concern and outcome' that you can list that you feel should move that group of male people into the female single sex class, we can list more that would negate that category move.

So, no. There is no context that will move a male person out of the general male population for risk assessment purposes for access to female single sex provisions by male people who have a subjective belief that they are female in any way when this is not material reality.

"It isn't my own special definition of female sex category. I share the belief of trans women being women with many others."

Well, it is true that many people can believe in falsehoods. It doesn't mean that it will ever be material reality. It is your own special definition because you also keep centring yourself in your definition as a call to authority to support your definition.

Helleofabore · Yesterday 18:25

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:19

Okay, this time I will respond. It is not an insult.

I personally am quite critical of gender, it's difficult not to be. My feelings are incompatible with what I see written about trans people in so called 'gender critical' spaces. Sex realist beliefs all seem to reference the overriding significance of sex chromosomes, this is why I use 'sex realist.'

When you use it sneeringly as you do, you do mean it to be an insult.

Maybe if you had stopped sneering and belittling women with that term, maybe you could have convinced us that it is not an insult when you use it.

FlirtsWithRhinos · Yesterday 18:26

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 17:25

I think the message is

"I am a man and can only understand sex in terms of status and sexual attraction. The reality of actually being a woman is completely alien to me".

Nailed it.

Genuinely.

Men, including trans women, who see no reason womanhood should not include trans women are telling us women should be defined from the outside looking in, based on the criteria of men.

Women who sign up to TWAW would do well to consider whether they really want this to be the measure of them.

TheKeatingFive · Yesterday 18:27

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:15

There is no context where a group of male people is considered to be not 'male people' for the analysis of risk when it comes to risk assessment for female single sex provisions though.

There would literally be a context identified where it is decided relevant or not.

So, how are you including it within a context that is not compromising female people's safeguarding?

I am weighing it with other risks, concerns and outcomes.

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

It isn't my own special definition of female sex category. I share the belief of trans women being women with many others.

If men are at risk that should be dealt with the same way as any other men at risk.

What would be the justification for making this a problem women have to solve?

MrsColinRobinson · Yesterday 18:28

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:06

Yes, data can be useful when used responsibly. Data can also be used to harm people. I am supportive of accurate data collection, when done fairly and impartially.

I am not responsible for differentiating between real trans people and those who are not. The data are being presented in a context constructed to support a belief.

I do not diminish womens right to voice valid, data evidenced, fears of VAWG. There are definitely some women who viscerally link trans women to violence and danger. I believe some linkages are valid. I believe some linkages are prejudicial.

So you do want data collected but only the way you want it. That's not accurate data collection and after years of screaming from the TRAs when data is provided that does fit in their ideology it's deemed inaccurate or bias. That's seems so fair and reasonable 🙄

There's no prejudice in terms of rational fears. We fear ALL men until they can prove themselves safe.

If you can't and won't define what you claim to be versus the men in prison pretending how, and why the fuck, should we? The fact you can't see the absurdity in that is hilariously excruciating.

What do you think you can achieve here; to bore us away with hyperbole and fairytale?

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 18:29

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:15

There is no context where a group of male people is considered to be not 'male people' for the analysis of risk when it comes to risk assessment for female single sex provisions though.

There would literally be a context identified where it is decided relevant or not.

So, how are you including it within a context that is not compromising female people's safeguarding?

I am weighing it with other risks, concerns and outcomes.

And again, your wish to use your own special definition of female sex category is not going to be ever an acceptable definition for the safeguarding of female people.

It isn't my own special definition of female sex category. I share the belief of trans women being women with many others.

Yet you reserve the right to decide which men who identify as women are women and your opinion seems to have no correlation with UK law or the beliefs of the trans community.

MoistVonL · Yesterday 18:30

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Marie, I would FAR rather learn about this than listen to the nonsense the OP posted.

Under sex realist beliefs, life is binary.

No, @onepostwonder , SEX is binary Sex is immutable - in mammals at least. Two pathways, two gametes, two sexes.

How you wish to be perceived by others has nothing to do with being a woman. The only thing every woman in existence from the dawn of humanity has in common is our female sex.
If you don't have that - and you don't - you cannot be a woman.

Changednameagain999 · Yesterday 18:31

DialSquare · 27/04/2026 21:00

Well I didn’t want to brag too
much, too early, but I’ve got TWO sofas and TWO recliners.

#metoo lol…

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:35

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 18:03

This is all the kind of thing one might assume if one were a man who knew absolutely sod all about being a woman.

This is a requirement of the belief that all people identified as trans women are men.

ElenOfTheWays · Yesterday 18:35

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · Yesterday 09:50

Stop trying to provoke me. I'm too hacked off with this whole debate to rise to your infantile comments.

If you're so "hacked off" with it all, why are you here arguing both sides?
It's just weird. People who do this are usually doing it in order to keep the argument going. But I think that will happen anyway without your input.

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 18:37

onepostwonder · Yesterday 18:35

This is a requirement of the belief that all people identified as trans women are men.

Edited

I'm using 'men' to refer to sex.

You are using 'women' to refer to some kind of role play situation.

Waitwhat23 · Yesterday 18:38

Helleofabore · Yesterday 18:25

When you use it sneeringly as you do, you do mean it to be an insult.

Maybe if you had stopped sneering and belittling women with that term, maybe you could have convinced us that it is not an insult when you use it.

It's just the latest in a long list of sneering descriptions by TRA's for women who know that sex is real and important and that single sex spaces should be just that.

It used to be biological essentialist, interspersed with genital obsessive.

What's next? I'm guessing something along the lines of 'anti magic-y thinking bigot!!'

But it won't be an insult of course....

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 18:40

nicepotoftea · Yesterday 16:48

This isn't a compromise. It's a social declaration based on an narrow definition of sex reliant upon a person's moment of conception rather than the physical and social reality of life.

Oh to be able to pretend that one's sex only affected 'the social reality of life'. Difficult to think of a more privileged perspective.

Haven't you heard? Women get the option of being able to identify out of getting pregnant and getting cervical, ovarian or womb cancer.

They are just social conditions.

Likewise recognising male violence is "a choice".

Says a man.

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