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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?
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TheHereticalOne · 28/04/2026 13:09

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:55

I've also never had a mystery chunk of cash land in my bank account, nor been able to work out whose sock puppet I am.

Sad times.

Not so much as a bloody tambourine for me, either. Never mind a natty set of loose fitting robes or cozy jogging set.

I mean, really, what does it take?

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:09

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 13:03

LOL.
He's a grifter, is Hypnotits.

And Farage isn't?

GenderlessVoid · 28/04/2026 13:09

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

So you have no sources to back up your claims and are now trying to distract by focusing on one poster's views about political parties.

Thanks for letting us know you have no intention to provide any support for your claims.

WateringCans · 28/04/2026 13:10

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

Genuinely interested in reading this too please. I haven’t rtft, just looked at all op’s posts waiting for the link to the research. Checking the premise of an argument is 101, surely, no point engaging otherwise.

Secretsquirrelshh · 28/04/2026 13:11

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

Ladies, LADIES! The man has decreed that the conversation has moved on, so he doesn't need to provide us with the scientific data that so many of us have repeatedly asked for.

He has also called us "dear", which we ladies definitely call each other all the time and it's not AT ALL patronising.

It's really important we make concessions for men, who aren't good at science (that's just... science). Ooh look, I provided a link to back up my claim.

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HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:11

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:07

Ah another incoherent m, illogical position. Polanski can’t be antisemitic or enable antisemites because “he’s Jewish’”, but a woman of colour can espouse racist policies and/or enable racists. You’re not exactly one of life’s great thinkers are you?

You do understand the difference between 'antisemitic' and 'anti-Zionist', right?

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 28/04/2026 13:15

Beowulfa · 28/04/2026 12:56

Still waiting for the scientific proof that Eddie Izzard's brain scans look different on days he's chosen to wear heels, fishnets and a leather miniskirt?

Edited

I’m still so disappointed in Eddie. He sold himself down the river. I get that it must have been tiring, having to cheerleader for himself about his right to present however he liked. But we all battle our demons every day, without selling out for an easy soft spoken life!

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 13:15

@HazelLemur

Please provide your sources for the assertions that trans women's brains are "identical" to women's brains.

You began this thread by saying that bigots like us don't respect science.

Please provide the links to the science so we can read it ourselves.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 13:15

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:57

I disagree with virtually everything you wrote in this post.

Let's see how the Greens do at the next election, eh? Until then, I can comfort myself with the fact - since people on here are so keen on facts - that their support continues to rise, while Reform's is falling.

Just because you’re an idiotic socialist who thinks is taking money from people who created it and giving it to people who have created nothing - and think women can have a penis - shows the Greens are winning nothing. Ever.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:16

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:08

I think Braverman is racist, because I've seen her post racist comments.

I don't believe Polanski is anti-semitic because I've heard him talk about his jewish heritage, and beliefs, and I think it's abundantly clear that his position comes from being pro-Palestine, and anti-Israel, not anti-semitic.

I mean, come on, this stuff isn't hard.

There are dozens and dozens of ex Labour members, many who were kicked out for antisemitism (or who left because it was ‘all a smear’), who have joined the greens. It’s well documented. Polanski has done nothing about it. Indeed the Green leadership is now parroting the same ‘it’s a smear ’ rhetoric.

Like Corbyn, Polanski is either comfortable with this level of antisemitism or he is oblivious to it. .

I never rule out both.

www.thejc.com/news/uk/greens-set-up-support-group-for-candidates-facing-antisemitism-smears-okqya7v7

Malinia · 28/04/2026 13:17

@HazelLemur I also would like to see your sources for your claims, especially the brain one please, as my daughter identifies as trans and it would be good to read that research.

I also wanted to ask you why you think you are a woman - have you had your brain scanned? Or are you using other methods of verification? Again I have a personal interest in this due to my daughter so all information will be received in good spirit and used for education.

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:17

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 13:15

Just because you’re an idiotic socialist who thinks is taking money from people who created it and giving it to people who have created nothing - and think women can have a penis - shows the Greens are winning nothing. Ever.

Careful, your true colours are showing there.

They are, it seems, largely a shade of turquoise with a white arrow...

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BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:18

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:11

You do understand the difference between 'antisemitic' and 'anti-Zionist', right?

Enlighten me.

(Reader, he did not).

MrsColinRobinson · 28/04/2026 13:18

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

Total cop out. Pathetic!

As we all expected, you have nothing. Thanks for confirming eventually after 23 pages of some great contributions that did engage in rational debate...and your small collection of drivel.

All you prove in each post is you're a sneering, not very bright man with nothing to challenge anyone with half a brain to change our minds that you're a woman who should share our space.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:19

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:09

And Farage isn't?

Yes. They both are. Great point. You’re really on fire.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 13:19

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:09

And Farage isn't?

FML.
Disliking Hypnotits doesn't mean I like Nigel.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:19

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 13:15

Just because you’re an idiotic socialist who thinks is taking money from people who created it and giving it to people who have created nothing - and think women can have a penis - shows the Greens are winning nothing. Ever.

Name calling? Really? I expected better from you somehow.

I'm proud to be a socialist. And I'm not an idiot.

The country is on its knees. Money needs to be found from somewhere. The poor don't have any. The squeezed middle are squeezed to the point of desperation. And yet, we still have billionaires.

Did you know that 50 families in the UK have the same amount of wealth as the bottom 50% of the population?

We need wealth redistribution as a matter of urgency.

You keep saying Polanski won't win the next election. Have another look at the opinion polls. Look at the direction of travel. Add three years.

Not impossible, is it?

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:21

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 13:19

FML.
Disliking Hypnotits doesn't mean I like Nigel.

So who are you going to vote for? I'm genuinely curious.

MyAmpleSheep · 28/04/2026 13:21

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:08

I think Braverman is racist, because I've seen her post racist comments.

I don't believe Polanski is anti-semitic because I've heard him talk about his jewish heritage, and beliefs, and I think it's abundantly clear that his position comes from being pro-Palestine, and anti-Israel, not anti-semitic.

I mean, come on, this stuff isn't hard.

On a point of logic: you previously wrote "I don't believe that Polanski himself - as the only jewish party leader - is anti-semitic."

The inference is that because, as you point out, he's Jewish, he isn't antisemitic.

MoreThanOnePostcardFromTheEdge · 28/04/2026 13:21

Fascinating OP. Thank you for explaining all of that. I feel much clearer about things now.

TheyAreLovelyLovelyPeople · 28/04/2026 13:21

Hello OP.

I would also like you to engage with providing information about the brain structures of trans identified people, please.

Thanks.

[Narrator: the OP declined to engage, as everyone expected]

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:22

MyAmpleSheep · 28/04/2026 13:21

On a point of logic: you previously wrote "I don't believe that Polanski himself - as the only jewish party leader - is anti-semitic."

The inference is that because, as you point out, he's Jewish, he isn't antisemitic.

I don't believe he's anti-semitic, because I've heard him talk about it.

I offer the fact that he's the only jewish party leader as further evidence - not the sole evidence - to support that point.

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 13:23

@HazelLemur

I'm still waiting for the sources to your claim that science shows trans women brains are "identical" to women's brains

Could you please provide?

MoreThanOnePostcardFromTheEdge · 28/04/2026 13:24

I'd also be further fascinated to read the research you write about re brain similarities in women and trans women.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:25

MoreThanOnePostcardFromTheEdge · 28/04/2026 13:24

I'd also be further fascinated to read the research you write about re brain similarities in women and trans women.

F8ck it, I'd like to read it too.

I mean, at this stage of the thread, why not?

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