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Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?
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Beowulfa · 28/04/2026 12:56

Still waiting for the scientific proof that Eddie Izzard's brain scans look different on days he's chosen to wear heels, fishnets and a leather miniskirt?

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:56

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:53

Anyone who would vote Reform - knowing what a bunch of nasty racist fascists they are - simply because of their position on gender, should hang their head in shame.

And anyone who can vote for the Greens knowing how many antisemites are in their ranks should also hang their heads in shame...

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:57

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:54

“Genuinely different” does not mean “fit to govern”.

The Greens are offering fantasy economics: take more money from other people, nationalise vast sectors, promise huge spending, and pretend the hard bit is just having nicer intentions.

Wealth taxes sound simple until people move assets, leave, litigate valuations, restructure ownership, or simply stop investing here. Nationalising energy, water and rail would cost vast sums before a single service improved. The state would inherit the debt, the infrastructure problems, the unions, the bureaucracy and the blame.

That is not courage. It is sixth-form socialism with a press office.

And no, “the Tories were bad” does not make the Greens good. A terrible government does not magically validate an even more economically incoherent one.

On women’s rights, the Greens are worse still. They have repeatedly shown they do not understand, or do not care, that sex matters. Their politics replaces female rights with gender identity, then sneers at women who object.

Add the party’s wider problems around extremism, antisemitism concerns, activist capture and magical thinking, and the idea that Zack Polanski is some serious future Prime Minister is laughable.

The Greens may win protest votes in a few pockets.

They are not winning a general election. Not now, not under this leadership, and not on a platform of tax, nationalise, deny sex, and call it compassion.

I disagree with virtually everything you wrote in this post.

Let's see how the Greens do at the next election, eh? Until then, I can comfort myself with the fact - since people on here are so keen on facts - that their support continues to rise, while Reform's is falling.

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:57

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:51

The Greens are not a “hope” for women’s rights if they cannot even say what a woman is.

A party that supports gender self-ID is not defending women. It is making female legal status dependent on male declaration. That is catastrophic for single-sex spaces, sport, prisons, refuges, changing rooms, toilets, data, safeguarding and lesbian boundaries.

The problem is not that the Greens are “too kind”. It is that they have elevated gender identity over sex, then treated women who object as embarrassing heretics.

Even within the Green movement, women have had to organise specifically to defend sex-based rights because those concerns have been marginalised or treated as hostile. The party’s own pro-trans wing supports self-determination of gender. That means, in practice, that the female category becomes mixed-sex by assertion.

And this is not some harmless abstract belief. The whole legal and safeguarding point is that women and girls need boundaries based on sex, not on someone else’s identity. Even the government now states that single-sex spaces are based on biological sex following the Supreme Court ruling.

So no, I do not see the Greens as saviours here.

On this issue, they are not defending women’s rights. They are actively hostile to the basic condition those rights depend on: recognising female people as a sex class.

So you would actively vote for the despicable party currently leading the polls, knowing full well their atrocious and well-publicised record, simply because they have hoodwinked you into believing that they will make a change you consider positive on one topic?

That is not only intellectually dishonest, that is an act of national sabotage...

...like voting Tory has been for the 14 years of utter chaos and misery caused by that party (many of whom, like the rats they are, have now fled to the very party you are thinking of voting for).

Sometimes we have to hold our nose and take act for the greater social good of everyone. You, it would appear, are incapable of that reasoning.

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CassOle · 28/04/2026 12:57

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:47

Oh dear. I got me a deletion. My first in literally years.
Let's repeat my point without my comments about OP's personality.

He keeps banging on about the "GC cult". Understanding basic biology doesn't make anyone a cult member.
Seeking to preserve the privacy and dignity of women doesnt make anyone a cult member.

Edited for SPAG.

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It's just DARVO

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:58

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 12:56

And anyone who can vote for the Greens knowing how many antisemites are in their ranks should also hang their heads in shame...

There are anti-semites in the Green party, yes. Polanski needs to sort that out and fast.

I don't believe that Polanski himself - as the only jewish party leader - is anti-semitic. So I'll trust him to get a grip on it before the next election.

Beowulfa · 28/04/2026 12:58

Can you imagine Putin's response if Polanski became UK PM. It's probably not medically advisable for men of that age to laugh so hard.

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 12:58

@HazelLemur

Hi hazel,

I see you are still active on the thread.

Could you please provide the sources for your claims about transwomen having brains "identical" to cis women?

I would really like to read them and see where you are coming from.

BusyAzureTraybake · 28/04/2026 13:02

“What is a woman?” is the WRONG question. We all know what a woman is. It’s just a diversion tactic. The real question is “What is trans?”

Mr Menno

GarlicFind · 28/04/2026 13:02

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 12:58

@HazelLemur

Hi hazel,

I see you are still active on the thread.

Could you please provide the sources for your claims about transwomen having brains "identical" to cis women?

I would really like to read them and see where you are coming from.

There's a useful overview here, with citations & references:

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/articles/issues-with-the-trans-brain-sex-hypothesis-part-1-the-bstc

Issues with the Trans Brain Sex Hypothesis: Part 1 - The BSTc — Paradox Institute

The "brain sex hypothesis" posits that gender dysphoria is rooted in having a brain that aligns with a different sex. In part 1 of this new multi-part series, we begin with an analysis of the BSTc.

https://theparadoxinstitute.org/articles/issues-with-the-trans-brain-sex-hypothesis-part-1-the-bstc

SchadenFreude8 · 28/04/2026 13:02

Boiledbeetle · 27/04/2026 19:16

I'll admit I didn't do more than skim the gentleman's post after the anti-trans brigade wankwaffle at the beginning.

I'm storing the word "wankwaffle" away for future use!

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:02

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:58

There are anti-semites in the Green party, yes. Polanski needs to sort that out and fast.

I don't believe that Polanski himself - as the only jewish party leader - is anti-semitic. So I'll trust him to get a grip on it before the next election.

Do you think Suella Braverman is incapable of espousing racist polices or enabling racists?

Wearenotborg · 28/04/2026 13:02

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 09:13

I'm not sure that I would characterise my reply to you as ' support ' - I am proudly pro-trans, yes, but I thought your opening post was patronising, confrontational and ill-judged.

You've not convinced anyone here with your arguments. They were weakly presented, and lacked scientific sources.

I'm heartily sick of this debate. Every time I see it, it plays out into aggression, insults, and lack of any attempt - by either side - to reach any kind of understanding.

I do believe that trans women are women, and deserve kindness, respect and accommodation.

I also believe that biological women have a right to preserve certain women-only spaces, especially in sports, prisons, rape shelters. Not bathrooms or changing rooms.

I don't believe in this ' wrongly assigned male at birth ' nonsense. And I hate the word ' cis ' .

I don't think your opening post has helped move this debate on in the slightest.

So how exactly is a “trans woman” a woman. Without using sexist, outdated stereotypes, or gubbins such as feelings, can you explain how males with a trans identity are women?

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 12:58

@HazelLemur

Hi hazel,

I see you are still active on the thread.

Could you please provide the sources for your claims about transwomen having brains "identical" to cis women?

I would really like to read them and see where you are coming from.

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

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EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 13:03

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:58

There are anti-semites in the Green party, yes. Polanski needs to sort that out and fast.

I don't believe that Polanski himself - as the only jewish party leader - is anti-semitic. So I'll trust him to get a grip on it before the next election.

LOL.
He's a grifter, is Hypnotits.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 28/04/2026 13:04

I note that neither the OP nor their principal cheerleader have even attempted to refute my argument concerning rape and forced pregnancy.

Interesting choice of name on the cheerleader's part: Iggy Pop's plastic trousers were transparent and he wore them commando. If I was commenting on a thread about women's boundaries and fear of rape, I probably wouldn't name myself after a garment associated with a man's stage act that could be construed as exhibitionism.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:04

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

We’ll pop you down as a ‘Don’t Know’.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:04

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:02

Do you think Suella Braverman is incapable of espousing racist polices or enabling racists?

No I do not.

I do think that anyone who genuinely believes Polanski is anti-semitic is a total idiot though.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 13:06

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

No, the discussion hasn't moved on.

We'd still like some answers.

Dear.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:07

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:04

No I do not.

I do think that anyone who genuinely believes Polanski is anti-semitic is a total idiot though.

Ah another incoherent m, illogical position. Polanski can’t be antisemitic or enable antisemites because “he’s Jewish’”, but a woman of colour can espouse racist policies and/or enable racists. You’re not exactly one of life’s great thinkers are you?

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 13:07

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 13:03

Discussion's moved on, dear.

We're now on why SSSIS intends to vote for the questionable party currently leading the polls, despite being aware it is an act of national sabotage - much like the imbecility of Brexit, one of the main architects of which was, of course, the very shyster currently in charge of said questionable party.

It seems a classic case of "butbutbut, when I voted for the face-eating leopards, I never thought they'd eat my face" 🙄

Don't "dear" me.

Please provide your sources!

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:07

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 28/04/2026 13:04

I note that neither the OP nor their principal cheerleader have even attempted to refute my argument concerning rape and forced pregnancy.

Interesting choice of name on the cheerleader's part: Iggy Pop's plastic trousers were transparent and he wore them commando. If I was commenting on a thread about women's boundaries and fear of rape, I probably wouldn't name myself after a garment associated with a man's stage act that could be construed as exhibitionism.

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You genuinely win the prize for the best post on this thread. I haven't laughed so hard in ages.

  1. I love the idea of being a principal cheerleader. Do I have to buy my own outfit? I mean, I'm 54, I don't usually wear short skirts any more.
  2. I absolutely applaud your brave attempt to link my user name to my attitudes towards rape and/or boundaries. I mean, that's Mr Tickle levels of reaching, right there.

Bravo, sister. Truly bravo.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 13:08

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 13:07

Ah another incoherent m, illogical position. Polanski can’t be antisemitic or enable antisemites because “he’s Jewish’”, but a woman of colour can espouse racist policies and/or enable racists. You’re not exactly one of life’s great thinkers are you?

I think Braverman is racist, because I've seen her post racist comments.

I don't believe Polanski is anti-semitic because I've heard him talk about his jewish heritage, and beliefs, and I think it's abundantly clear that his position comes from being pro-Palestine, and anti-Israel, not anti-semitic.

I mean, come on, this stuff isn't hard.

DialSquare · 28/04/2026 13:08

Anyone who denies that a woman, is a woman, is incorrect. Anyone who denies that a trans identified male, is a woman, is correct. It’s as simple as that. We will never ever be the same, even if some people lie about it.

BusyAzureTraybake · 28/04/2026 13:09

Seems to me that we have been getting a lot of visitors recently suggesting a 'solution' along the lines of 'you can keep the prisons and sports but please, please, please give us the changing rooms and toilets🙏' .

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