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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?
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TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2026 12:14

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:13

" But you haven't show an iota of kindness or compassion to women. "

That's bullshit. I haven't insulted anyone. Don't confuse my approach with that of the OP.

You can't even engage with the point.

These women, whose rights to single sex spaces you want to give away.

What kindness or compassion are you showing to them by taking that position?

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:15

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:13

No, but you think it's fine to give away their rights to some men, which is kind of worse than insulting someone on the internet, no?

You can believe that if you want to. I can't stop you.

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:15

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 11:59

I've responded many times before. In detail. It got me nowhere.

It's not that I can't refute the points I made ( most of which related to my beliefs, and why I held them, rather than, say, the scientific claims which the OP made ) it's genuinely that I don't see the point.

I didn't start this thread, the OP did. I'm not particularly inclined to become the next target on it.

"I'm not particularly inclined to become the next target on it."

Unfortunately, you'll always be a target if you're not in the cult. That's how the cult works.

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TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:15

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:15

You can believe that if you want to. I can't stop you.

Are you capable of giving a straight answer to a simple question at all?

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:16

TheKeatingFive · 28/04/2026 12:14

You can't even engage with the point.

These women, whose rights to single sex spaces you want to give away.

What kindness or compassion are you showing to them by taking that position?

Again, it's not ' can't ' - it's ' won't '.

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:16

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:15

"I'm not particularly inclined to become the next target on it."

Unfortunately, you'll always be a target if you're not in the cult. That's how the cult works.

Is that why so many women have been getting death and rape threats from the TRA cult?

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:16

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:15

Are you capable of giving a straight answer to a simple question at all?

Of course. Some lovely lady asked me about my username earlier. I was happy to enlighten her.

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:17

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:16

Of course. Some lovely lady asked me about my username earlier. I was happy to enlighten her.

So, only when it suits you and it's not too difficult. Got it.

Igneococcus · 28/04/2026 12:17

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:12

I don't give a flying fuck what the women on this thread think about my position. I was asked what I believe, and I answered.

I came on this thread to pull up the OP for their - in my opinion - patronising and inflammatory approach. Someone asked for my views on the subject, and I responded.

I didn't come here to start a debate - particularly in a space where I knew I would be outnumbered.

As I've said before - I've had these discussions many, many times. I've spent countless hours - days, even - expressing my views carefully, with rationale, with evidence. All of that.

It has got me precisely nowhere. Which is why I'm not doing it again. Again, it's not that I CAN'T refute your arguments, it's just that I WILL NOT.

This is pointless. The whole thing is pointless. We're not going to settle it here, or in any of the other spaces in which this subject gets debated.

It's not even going to get settled in law. Your side thought they had it won last summer, but look what a pyrrhic victory that turned out to be. Labour are going to continue to fudge and obfuscate on this until the next election, at which point either Reform will try and sway it one way, or the Greens will try and sway it the other.

I fully expect us to be debating/arguing about this until the eventual heat death of the universe. Which is not a cheery thought at all, but hey ho.

You could have laid out your argument for allowing men into women's spaces rather than typing out why you won't. Wouldn't have taken any longer, surely.

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 12:17

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:13

" But you haven't show an iota of kindness or compassion to women. "

That's bullshit. I haven't insulted anyone. Don't confuse my approach with that of the OP.

What type of kindness and compassion tells a transwoman you believe they are a woman then turns them away from a women-only rape crisis centre?

FriendlyGreenAlien · 28/04/2026 12:18

I’d like to read the peer-reviewed studies on male and female brains. Please provide links to your sources.

My understanding is that the only internal organs that differ by sex are the reproductive ones. That said, men’s bodies are on a larger normal distribution curve than women’s, so their hearts, lungs, livers tend to be larger. Not structurally different, just larger.

Are you suggesting that women’s brains are therefore smaller than men’s, and transwomen’s brains are also smaller?

Not an argument I’ve heard before I’m beginning to believe it’s possible, based on your diatribe.

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:18

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 12:17

What type of kindness and compassion tells a transwoman you believe they are a woman then turns them away from a women-only rape crisis centre?

The easy kind. The virtue-signalling kind. The fake kind.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:18

Igneococcus · 28/04/2026 12:17

You could have laid out your argument for allowing men into women's spaces rather than typing out why you won't. Wouldn't have taken any longer, surely.

It's not about the time it takes to write it out, it's about the amount of interrogation/argument I have to field once I've typed it.

But you know that.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:18

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:15

"I'm not particularly inclined to become the next target on it."

Unfortunately, you'll always be a target if you're not in the cult. That's how the cult works.

This is almost a perfect example of projection.

You enter a women’s rights thread, call women a “cult”, accuse them of “howling”, “screeching” and “seething”, then claim people are being “targeted” when they ask you to justify your claims.

That is not rational debate. It is name-calling while complaining about name-calling.

Nobody is a “target” because women ask why males should be admitted to female spaces.

The question remains unanswered:

If single-sex spaces exist for female privacy, dignity and safety, why should female people lose that boundary for males who identify as trans?

Calling the women asking that question a cult does not make you look compassionate.

It makes you look unable to answer.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:19

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:18

It's not about the time it takes to write it out, it's about the amount of interrogation/argument I have to field once I've typed it.

But you know that.

so - you do mean can't.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:19

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:17

So, only when it suits you and it's not too difficult. Got it.

Of course only when it suits me. This is the internet. Nobody is pointing a gun at me and telling me which questions I have to answer.

Thankfully.

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 12:19

@HazelLemur

If you are going to start a thread with the argument that "science says..."

Please provide your sources.

I am really interested in reading them.

Please help me understand your assertions by showing your sources.

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:19

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:19

so - you do mean can't.

Oh, the irony 🙄

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IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:20

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 28/04/2026 12:19

so - you do mean can't.

If I'd meant ' can't ' I would have f*cking typed ' can't. '

I meant exactly what I said.

Igneococcus · 28/04/2026 12:20

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:18

It's not about the time it takes to write it out, it's about the amount of interrogation/argument I have to field once I've typed it.

But you know that.

Like the interrogation you are fielding for telling us all why you are not going to write down your argument?

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:20

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:19

Of course only when it suits me. This is the internet. Nobody is pointing a gun at me and telling me which questions I have to answer.

Thankfully.

Of course, it's up to you, but it begs the question why you bother at all if you aren't willing to even explain, let alone defend, your position. Seems pointless.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:21

Igneococcus · 28/04/2026 12:20

Like the interrogation you are fielding for telling us all why you are not going to write down your argument?

True. But at least this time I'm not repeating myself.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:21

TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:20

Of course, it's up to you, but it begs the question why you bother at all if you aren't willing to even explain, let alone defend, your position. Seems pointless.

As I keep saying, this whole thread is pointless.

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 12:21

Honestly, @IggyPopsPlasticTrousers , I'd tap out now; if only for your own sanity.

These people are as incapable of change as they are of rational thought

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TheWickerFan · 28/04/2026 12:21

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 12:21

True. But at least this time I'm not repeating myself.

But you are.

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