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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?

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HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:39

Dear friends,

As anyone paying attention to current trans affairs knows, the anti-trans brigade like to throw around what they think is the “killer question”.

"What is a woman, then?"

These people will often engage in triumphal sneering as they further insist "Your chromosomes are what you are; XX are women and XY are men. It's science, innit?"

And as a confident trans-woman I say to these people "Absolutely! What is a woman? Great question! Let's examine that".

To begin, let's consult three definitive sources:

First, the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language.
Then, modern genetics and neurophysiology.
And finally, up to date research on brain structure in cisgender and transgender women.

First, the dictionary.
For this, let's go with the Cambridge Dictionary of the English Language:

Woman (noun)

  1. an adult female human being
  2. an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth

As we can see from #2, despite the recent social backlash and disproportionately loud screeching from certain murky corners of the internet, Western culture as a whole is moving toward accepting the validity of trans peoples' inner gender identity. No person with a working moral compass would consider this a bad thing.

Next, let’s summarize genetics and neurophysiology.

Modern society routinely treats all the following “XY” humans as WOMEN, however...
-You can be a woman because you have X & Y chromosomes but your body is insensitive to androgens and you have female anatomy & gender identity.
Ah, so much for the childishly simplistic “But women = XX and men = XY".
-You can be a woman with X & Y chromosomes but your Y is missing the SRY gene, so you have a female body and gender identity (yes, this is a real thing despite your denials).

People who have X & Y chromosomes, but their Y is missing the SRY gene, develop a female body.
Should we treat such people as men, in society, when they have the body of a woman, simply because simpletons insist that XY = Male?
Only an inveterate bigot with some weird religious and/or psychosexual axe to grind would say yes.

You can be a woman with XXY or XXXY chromosomes, giving you a male body but female brain/body map and gender identity.
-You can be a woman with XY chromosomes but a mutation called CBX2 that blocks the influence of the SRY gene.
-You can be a woman because you have 46,XY in some cells but 46,XX in other cells, or 47, XXY.

These are all valid, scientifically obervable genetic variations that highlight the "But XX = women and XY = men" mantra for the simplistic, unscientific nonsense that it is.

And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.

The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women.
The brains of trans men also align more with cisgender men than they do with women.

And so, to summarize

Modern science, which is how rational people resolve differences of opinion.
It is not about referring to holy books, written in pre-scientific ages past.
It is not about regurgitating simplistic, binary statements that you learnt in the 4th grade.

This shows us that, genetically and biologically speaking, there are many types of women; including transgender women like me.

P.S. In this essay we have a summary of the cutting edge science which validates transgender womens' biologically determined, inner sense of gender identity.

As I’ve said, a rational society follows rational explanations, and doesn’t define its people via outdated religious or cultural ideas.
But beyond that, there is simply human courtesy and kindness.

It’s cruel, hateful and rude for the transphobic bigots to demand that people be forced to conform to their anti-scientific notions.

No one's life is affected negatively by honoring a transwoman as a woman, as the historical record of many trans accepting societies have shown.

Good people will see the very challenging dilemma that transwomen are in, and their natural empathy, coupled with scientific insight, will make them want to support their fellow human beings in being who they know they are.

And so, I ask all of you:

Should we as a society treat trans-women as the women their brain and neurobiology tells us they are? And, if not, why on earth wouldn’t we?

P.P.S. The image in this post is of women who have XY chromosomes, but an androgen insensitivity syndrome which causes their bodies to develop as female.
Would anyone in their right mind insist we treat them as males, simply because of their chromosomal makeup?
The bigots might, but you know you're better than that, right?

Are We Really 'Women' On The Inside?
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PriOn1 · 28/04/2026 07:50

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/04/2026 07:41

I got as far as anti-'trans' and lost interest, I did enjoy all the comments though, they were worth reading. 😂

I shall go back and do some more reading. It crossed my mind, though too late to edit, was that when I started reading the OM, I assumed it was a woman, quoting an argument so ridiculous that we were all meant to point and laugh. It took me a few paragraphs to realise it was a man and he actually wanted…. well I’m not going to speculate on his intentions, but you get my drift.

And to answer the question in the title, yes. I still have my ovaries and the uterus that bore my children, but even if I didn’t, I’d still be a woman, inside and out.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2026 08:05

The brain stuff you posted is a load of unscientific disproven codswallop to begin. So I won't even dignify that further comment.

To end with, I don't need to prove I'm a woman. I am one. It's not how I identify. I just am female. And given I've given birth and have the scars to prove it, I don't think anyone needs to check my DNA or unaltered birth certificate.

There is nothing further to say other than, no transwomen are not women no matter how long the essay you write.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2026 08:06

I mean. Imagine mansplaining to a whole bunch of women what a woman is, as if we don't know.

That takes the arrogance of a narcissistic man.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2026 08:08

HazelLemur · 27/04/2026 17:48

And to anyone still on the fence, take a look - a proper look - at the first few responses.

Are these rational, intelligent, or inquisitive responses and a desire to engage? Do they seem like the kind of statements made by empathetic people? Or might they possibly, just possibly, appear to underline my opening post? 🤔

This is not a gotcha.

If you spout bollocks about what it is to be a woman, there a good chance you were born with bollocks.

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 28/04/2026 08:14

Davros · 27/04/2026 23:36

Mumsnet isnt “a bit terfy” it’s a website containing 100s of sections. You probably only visit FWR which was specifically created for women to discuss the proliferation of trans ideology and the harm it does to women. No surprise that’s what is discussed on this part of the site. Do you ever pop to the Elderly Parents, Films, Baby Names boards or the hundreds of others? Areas where mostly women also exchange ideas and experiences and support eachother. Those 100s of other sections presumably don’t appeal to you

Of course I visit the other sections. A quick check of my posting history would have told you that.

borntobequiet · 28/04/2026 08:16

Well now I know jibbitz is a word.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 28/04/2026 08:20

I think we could be fairly accused of bragging about our privilege here, ladies, with all this absence of any need to prove our womanliness because we just are.

My Be Kind days are somewhere behind me though.
I’m not sure whether the clarity in FWR about the burden society places on women chased it off, but the falling oestrogen levels really helped me let it go!

Riverpaddling · 28/04/2026 08:20

We knew that 'trans women are women #no debate' had run out of road when the TRAs started to appropriate DSDs in a desperate bid to prove themselves.

heathspeedwell · 28/04/2026 08:28

I seem to remember there have been a few studies that found men who claim to be women have a much higher incidence of narcissistic personality disorder than other men.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 08:32

Bobbymoore123 · 27/04/2026 22:30

You're all so snide and self-congratulatory, I'm surprised this board doesn't make itself sick sniffing its own farts.

Oh mate.
We have discussed and refuted this bullshit on a loop for about a decade. I think we're allowed to be pissed off and to handle it any way we fancy.

Including epic diversions into cakes, chocs and recliners.

EdithStourton · 28/04/2026 08:47

Chocs?
Bloody autocarrot.
CROCS.

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:48

Bobbymoore123 · 27/04/2026 22:30

You're all so snide and self-congratulatory, I'm surprised this board doesn't make itself sick sniffing its own farts.

I wouldn't have put it quite like that myself, but your sentiment and observation are absolutely spot on.
This particular area of the MN swamp has a reputation for a reason.

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Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 08:51

"And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.
The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women"

Your sources?

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:54

IggyPopsPlasticTrousers · 27/04/2026 18:43

I’m proudly pro-trans but I strongly suspect your post is going to fall on very deaf ears, because:

  1. It was a bit patronising, sorry to point that out.
  2. mumsnet is a bit TERF-y. Don’t know why, but it is.

Hope you have your tin hat on!

Thank you for your show of support; a lone light of compassion amidst the self-congratulatory baying of the cult.

It was intended as educational more than patronising, but you are absolutely right on point 2.

Although, I'd suggest that mumsnet is a wee bit more than "a bit TERF-y".
Inherently TERF-y, perhaps.
Aggressively TERF-y would also be nearer the mark.

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Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 08:56

"was intended as educational"
Hahaha hahahaha

EmpressaurusKitty · 28/04/2026 08:56

Although, I'd suggest that mumsnet is a wee bit more than "a bit TERF-y".
Inherently TERF-y, perhaps.
Aggressively TERF-y would also be nearer the mark.

Thank you.

Secretsquirrelshh · 28/04/2026 08:57

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:54

Thank you for your show of support; a lone light of compassion amidst the self-congratulatory baying of the cult.

It was intended as educational more than patronising, but you are absolutely right on point 2.

Although, I'd suggest that mumsnet is a wee bit more than "a bit TERF-y".
Inherently TERF-y, perhaps.
Aggressively TERF-y would also be nearer the mark.

Oh good! A man is here to educate us!

Listens, reverently

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 28/04/2026 08:58

You have nothing to educate me about. Certainly not about being a woman.

AnotherOneDown · 28/04/2026 08:58

OPs further additions still read like spoof ...

BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 08:58

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:48

I wouldn't have put it quite like that myself, but your sentiment and observation are absolutely spot on.
This particular area of the MN swamp has a reputation for a reason.

Did we establish if you are Bri, or that you just lifted a whole Facebook post from Bri’s page?

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 08:58

Thank god a man came along to tell us silly little women how to think

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:59

Secretsquirrelshh · 28/04/2026 08:57

Oh good! A man is here to educate us!

Listens, reverently

Delightful of you to post, Ms Bechdel, but there are no men here I'm aware of.

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BackToLurk · 28/04/2026 08:59

Leavesandthings · 28/04/2026 08:51

"And lastly, there are studies of brain structure.
These show that in the section of the brain that determines one’s sense of gender identity.
The brains of transgender women are almost identical to those of cisgender women"

Your sources?

Do not understand why, if this is true, TRAs aren’t pushing for diagnostic brain scans.

DialSquare · 28/04/2026 09:00

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:48

I wouldn't have put it quite like that myself, but your sentiment and observation are absolutely spot on.
This particular area of the MN swamp has a reputation for a reason.

Yep. We’re not dick pandering handmaidens. And you can’t stand it.

Ilovemychocolate · 28/04/2026 09:01

HazelLemur · 28/04/2026 08:54

Thank you for your show of support; a lone light of compassion amidst the self-congratulatory baying of the cult.

It was intended as educational more than patronising, but you are absolutely right on point 2.

Although, I'd suggest that mumsnet is a wee bit more than "a bit TERF-y".
Inherently TERF-y, perhaps.
Aggressively TERF-y would also be nearer the mark.

You deliberately posted on this board, knowing you would incite this reaction.
And we don’t need or ask for your “education” of what a woman is, actual women know what we are, as we are women.
You are being deliberately provocative and your faux dismay at the reaction is absolutely disingenuous.

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