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EdithStourton · 22/04/2026 19:55

The thread in which Gosie's mysterious adventures will continue. All women welcome to join us for a virtual tipple, fun, support and arcane knowledge. And tractors.

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Igneococcus · 29/04/2026 09:18

Given that my username was somewhat inspired by the Archaea, I could be about 4.1 Billion years old and at times I feel like it too.

DeanElderberry · 29/04/2026 09:21

Dextersgoneovertherainbowbridge · 29/04/2026 08:45

Morning.
Black coffee please, bar gerbils, and a croissant if you have such a thing.
Margo will sit quietly after her bee eating escapade.
I have dipped into the Thread Of Madness and am not sure if I should maybe have a nip of whiskey in that coffee…😳

Oh Margot. I'd show Rosy the picture and tell her the story, in the hope that it will deter from hunting inappropriate prey, but she really enjoyed eating poor dear little Waspie last year and there is no reasoning with her . . .

as Bing imagined it last year

ooooooh, spicy!

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AngleofRepose · 29/04/2026 09:27

Dextersgoneovertherainbowbridge · 29/04/2026 09:13

Felling very sorry for herself

Oh Margot! 😮I hope you're giving her lots of treats (if she'll have them right now). Poor Margot.

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 09:27

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 09:08

I'm from 1565 to 1645Grin

On the subject of the real Marie de Gournay - I'm still ploughing through this really good, but dense and in French - book about her, and I'm so impressed - everything new I read about her reinforces that she was incredibly ahead of her time.
Although she remained a monarchist, she argued against absolutism and in favour of representation for all levels of society. She was clever enough to frame 'democratising' power as beneficial for the monarchy - she said that for every French subject that was lifted out of poverty and treated with respect, she could guarantee ten fewer malcontents and rebels.

She also said that merit knows no class, and even the highest roles in society should be open to everybody, even someone from the lowest classes, based solely on merit. In other places, she strongly implies that the highest roles should also be open to women.

She wrote passionately about the plight of the poor - 'everything is taken from them and nothing is ever given to them' 'listened to by no-one and hated by everyone' and says that poor women are treated worst of all.

She was very minor nobility herself, but her father died and they had a lot of financial difficulties; this may have facilitated her career as a single woman and self-supporting writer, because the family couldn't have afforded a dowry for her anyway, so she being a rebel and an oddball had the advantage for the family of being cheap!

For someone of her class to relate so sympathetically to poor people's emotional experience of deprivation and oppression is surprising.

All this a century and a half before 'Liberty, Fraternity and Equality'!

I've read that she wrote poems to her several beloved cats, but I haven't been able to find them. History is silent on her attitude to gerbils😁

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 09:31

Hey Igneo, you don't look your age at all - you don't look a day over 4 billion years😁

Poor Margo, that's such a sad picture🙁give her a big virtual hug from us, Dex, that's probably the only kind of hug she feels like at the moment. Poor doggy!

SionnachRuadh · 29/04/2026 09:32

Boiledbeetle · 28/04/2026 21:44

< shows @Waitwhat23 around the inside of the far right vault>

So @Waitwhat23 , how about I give you the combination to the far right vault and you don't tell anyone I'm actually a cat. Deal?

I don't believe the far right vault looks anything like that.

When I was talking with Steve Bannon I told him we'd only accept payment in Tunnocks.

DeanElderberry · 29/04/2026 09:33

You should see whether a publisher would be interested in a translation.

FuzzyPuffling · 29/04/2026 09:35

In our house, a fly is known as a "sky raisin" and a wasp as a "spicy sky raisin".

When we lived in the country, cluster flies were a thing and the cats loved batting them. Far fewer flies in town. And huge hurrah, none of those bastarding horse flies.

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 09:35

SionnachRuadh · 29/04/2026 09:32

I don't believe the far right vault looks anything like that.

When I was talking with Steve Bannon I told him we'd only accept payment in Tunnocks.

..and in fairness, he delivered!

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MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 09:41

DeanElderberry · 29/04/2026 09:33

You should see whether a publisher would be interested in a translation.

The thought had occurred to me Deano - but then reality and my health limitations kicked in 🙁
I'm happy to share my discoveries and enthusiasm with fellow-Stockingers, it's lovely to have you to share with💙

SionnachRuadh · 29/04/2026 09:42

FuzzyPuffling · 29/04/2026 09:35

In our house, a fly is known as a "sky raisin" and a wasp as a "spicy sky raisin".

When we lived in the country, cluster flies were a thing and the cats loved batting them. Far fewer flies in town. And huge hurrah, none of those bastarding horse flies.

You just reminded me, I don't really do traybakes these days, and it's years since I had a flies' graveyard.

I quite fancy one now.

AngleofRepose · 29/04/2026 09:43

My cat loved eating all the spiders she could find in the house! Unfortunately, I absolutely love spiders, so was forever trying to hide them or rescue them. Mostly succeeded, sometimes not.

I no longer have my beautiful cat 😔but I do have a beautiful, very large Tegenaria saeva living in a corner of my orangery. Her name is Charlotte.

AngleofRepose · 29/04/2026 09:56

Marie, that sounds like my kind of book (if it were in English). Several years ago, I was in Vienna, and saw this portrait in the museum there (Elisabeth of Austria) and became temporarily obsessed with her, and read everything I could find about her! Different century, but fascinating character. It was the portrait that drew me in.

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PastaAllaNorma · 29/04/2026 10:21

I'm following Deans advice and am birdwatching in a lovely garden.

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Igneococcus · 29/04/2026 10:26

PastaAllaNorma · 29/04/2026 10:21

I'm following Deans advice and am birdwatching in a lovely garden.

dp got a grasshopper warbler on Merlin the other day and it sounds exactly like a grasshopper just a lot louder.
I got a red-throated loon which both Merlin and dp tell me is unlikely this time of the year in Scotland but supposedly there are breeding pairs in Ireland and I'm now determined to find my loons here.

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 10:29

AngleofRepose · 29/04/2026 09:56

Marie, that sounds like my kind of book (if it were in English). Several years ago, I was in Vienna, and saw this portrait in the museum there (Elisabeth of Austria) and became temporarily obsessed with her, and read everything I could find about her! Different century, but fascinating character. It was the portrait that drew me in.

She was 'Sisi', wasn't she? I'm only vaguely aware of her from old films..
I just read about her on Wiki - gosh what a life! No wonder she fascinated you, Angle.

Igneococcus · 29/04/2026 10:31

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 10:29

She was 'Sisi', wasn't she? I'm only vaguely aware of her from old films..
I just read about her on Wiki - gosh what a life! No wonder she fascinated you, Angle.

Ah, Sissi, a fellow Bavarian, though her waist is considerably more narrow than mine.

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 10:33

Igneococcus · 29/04/2026 10:31

Ah, Sissi, a fellow Bavarian, though her waist is considerably more narrow than mine.

Unhealthily so, it would appear😕
I'm glad you only share your place of origin with her, not her eating disorders!

Igneococcus · 29/04/2026 10:37

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 10:33

Unhealthily so, it would appear😕
I'm glad you only share your place of origin with her, not her eating disorders!

My bit of Bavaria has only been part of Bavaria for a good 30 years by the time she was born.
Those movies were on German TV every year during Christmas, probably still are.

AngleofRepose · 29/04/2026 10:49

Yes, and she did have a fascinating life. I must admit it was the painting that drew me in. It's the artistic representation of the fabric, you see. I was studying art history at the time, and it's the way he made the fabric look so real. The way Roger van der Weyden and Jan van Eyck depicted linen, silk, and brocade.

I am such a fabric nerd.

MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 11:10

AngleofRepose · 29/04/2026 10:49

Yes, and she did have a fascinating life. I must admit it was the painting that drew me in. It's the artistic representation of the fabric, you see. I was studying art history at the time, and it's the way he made the fabric look so real. The way Roger van der Weyden and Jan van Eyck depicted linen, silk, and brocade.

I am such a fabric nerd.

Looking carefully at the painting - yes I see what you mean!

I can see that the painting of fabric could be a fascinating specialist area of study - as if I hadn't enough internet rabbit-holes to go down, I could spend some happy hours googling paintings to examine the treatment of fabrics - starting with Frans Hals and laceSmile

edited to say Ugh, that photo turned out to be horribly lo-res, sorry!

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MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2026 11:14

Google 'Frans Hals paintings' and it's wall-to-wall incredible lace collars! but mostly on men, I picked a woman and child one for the Bluey.

Chersfrozenface · 29/04/2026 11:17

Some lace, amazing brocade and a bracelet I covet to a shameful degree.

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lcakethereforeIam · 29/04/2026 11:23

I remember seeing a comparison of two of Rembrandt's work. One from relatively early; the detail he had put into the lace and brocade, one from later; basically just smears of paint but with the years of mastery controlling the brush.

AsWithGlad · 29/04/2026 11:33

ErrolTheDragon · 28/04/2026 23:57

It’s been lovely weather for a while now here, and I’m pretty sure in the vicinity of the Bluestocking it’s always sunny in the daytime with enough rain to keep things green at night. Confused

I agree with Damson, it does sound like Camelot.

That started with high ideals and fell apart in discord.

Possibly with a touch of Brigadoon, with its vanishing qualities, as each location only lasts for 1000 posts.

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