Make it make sense

[bonfireoftheverities]

Sorry for the thread title – almost all of them could be called this.

Over on r/transgenderUK:
"The hate is largely institutional. The government is against us, the NHS doesn't want to help us..."

I see this so often. How in god's name is it possible that they are blind to the way the government and NHS have been bending over backwards for them? Just how?

Puberty blockers being banned, I’d imagine.

‘Mummy said no’. They don’t like it. Apparently the rest of us get everything we want as soon as we ask.

How in god's name is it possible that they are blind to the way the government and NHS have been bending over backwards for them?

Because it could never be enough. Appeasement was never going to work because something else would always come up, there would always be a other boundary to push, something else to concede, another thing to give up.

I read it as
'sNot fairrrrrrrrrr! I haaaaate you!
followed by door slam.

From a personal point of view, I'm prehrt in an area that loves Reform and the Tories but has embraced me despite everything. Except for a few giggling school kids I haven't had a single issue. In 4 years.

So he is a gender non-conforming male & accepted as such.

I think there will always be that deep dissatisfaction there because they know they are not the sex they claim to be. Many (most) then externalise blame for this in a never ending series of demands and if onlys. But if they got those there would have to be something else because they still wouldn’t be women/men. These are deeply unhappy people. They would be far better advised to practice acceptance but there you go.

Oh no, a 'trans' that are not a victim, how did that go down in the Tranosphere, has he been virtually stoned to death yet. 😂

Isn't this the consequence of society failing to say no to a group? Their demands become ever more unreasonable and fantastical? Their respect for the boundaries of others disappears as they trample down all the norms established by the social contract? The accepted "give and take", respect for others disappears.
They've finally been told no, that woman is a biological sex class, that children must be safeguarded from the dangerous drugs and surgery and that the rights of others as exemplified in the SC judgement must be recognised.

Hence the immense tantrums visible from outer space.

In short narcissism.

The longer answer is that they have bought into the victim narrative that is being sold. Everytime somebody says no to them it just confirms the narrative, whether thats preventing medical harm by banning puberty blockers or saying that other people (ie women and children) have rights too, ot worst of all telling them that they aren't the centre of the universe and like everybody else they must bend and make/accept compromises because the world wont bend to their ever increasingly outrageous demands anymore.
For to long their every whim was catered to regardless of the harm to others and now they are being told no and many of the privileges that were granted to them by taking from womens basic human rights are being rescinded and much like a spoilt child who finally gets some boundaries and consequences they don't like it and its all the fault of us mean old hags wah wah wah.

Honestly they remind me of my kids screaming "thats not fair" and wailing when I pointed out lifes not fair.
Never pander to a temper tantrum just ignore it

I think that's actually a pretty positive thread. Great news for them! They're not the most oppressed after all!

If the answer was no, would this lead you to some self-reflection about how perhaps some of the stereotypes you hold about trans people are wrong?

The point is that this guy isn't taking oestrogen. He has just grown his hair & put on a frock. He is just a gender non-conforming man & evidently has been for four years.

A bloke lets his hair grow & puts on a frock. He doesn't take hormones or have any surgery done yet claims to be "trans" when in fact he is just a gender non-conforming man.

Absolutely baffled as to what thread some of you are reading. All I see is comment after comment of people acknowledging and agreeing that transition has its challenges but has been ultimately worth it for them. Not a tantrum or a door slam or any narcissism in sight. Some of you seem upset the trans people on that thread aren't conforming to your stereotypes of how you think they should act or behave, but that seems like a you problem. I wonder if any of you will be intellectually honest enough to reflect on that.

No idea why you've posted this as a reply to me since it's irrelevant to my comment. But given your fixation with this issue, I'm sure you must be aware that trans people have to wait anything from 2 years to 10+ years for even a first appointment with an NHS gender clinic? So it's hardly baffling to encounter a trans person who hasn't yet been able to start treatment. Not sure what you think you can tell about this person's haircut or clothes through the internet either. Do you think all women must have long hair and wear frocks?

Do you think all women must have long hair and wear frocks?

Of course I don't think that all women must have long hair and wear frocks. That would be preposterous. However it seems that all transwomen like to have long hair & frocks when they put on womanface. Steph choses a long haired wig as part of her adoption of female stereotypes.

My experience is both trans women and cis women wear their hair in all sorts of different ways. Regardless of what "Steph" - whoever tf she is - does or doesn't do, it's unclear why you feel her choices apply to all trans women. Seems like you're basing your comments about this anonymous reddit poster on an awful lot of stereotypes, prejudices and presumptions.

There are no 'cis' women - just women, females.

The term 'cis' has the double issue of being both offensive to many, and meaningless. Women are not a sub-category of their own sex. 'Women' and 'transwomen' is quite sufficient to demarcate the difference between women and trans-identified males.

I find engaging with anyone who uses 'cis' to be a waste of time – it's a dependable litmus test, at least for FWR – but appreciate that others make the effort.

Hi. The average wait for even a first appointment to see someone about gender dysphoria is about 20 years. Often more.

Trans people's existence is officially respected by the NHS - inclusive language being very necessary so that they seek treatment for pregnancy healthcare etc - but transphobia from GPs is quite common.

It's often difficult for transitioned adults to get care, and the vast majority of children don't get any at all. Instead, they are being doped up on anti-anxiety meds to cope with the effects of being denied treatment and constant, everyday anti-trans abuse.

The government shows some basic respect to trans people, but is often deeply transphobic in its messaging. It provides almost no services for them, and is doing nothing about the widespread, escalating violence they are experiemcing.

So without resorting to sexist, outdated stereotypes such as dresses and long hair, how exactly would a man “present as a woman”? How, without resorting to said stereotypes.would a man know he is a woman?

Is what you call “transphobia” from GPs themselves actually stating biological facts?

It provides almost no services for them...

Because there is no service that can transform a human being into a different sex. There should be a Mental Health Service that can provide therapies that could hopefully provide people with the tools they need to accept the reality of their existence. That at least stands a chance of working, supporting people in their delusions won't, which is why the NHS doesn't provide one.