Make it make sense

[bonfireoftheverities]

Sorry for the thread title – almost all of them could be called this.

Over on r/transgenderUK:
"The hate is largely institutional. The government is against us, the NHS doesn't want to help us..."

I see this so often. How in god's name is it possible that they are blind to the way the government and NHS have been bending over backwards for them? Just how?

Then there are those of us who are 40, 50 or 60 years post-treatment as young people. We're living good lives and are observably not dead or suffering quality of life issues related to trans medical treatment.

You still haven't changed sex, though.

All those years later, after the surgery and the hormones, you're still a man.

I and society disagree with you.

Not this again

Nothing makes sense because sex realist beliefs are reductive and are unable to incorporate social context, cultural experience or difference.

I know, and I've got things to do this afternoon. I'm asking myself if I need this bullshit all over again.

Oh, no worries. I have a thing for the next 12 hours or so. Nothing but silence from me.

They're not "beliefs" though.
They're just a statement of biological reality.

People can't change sex. You are still a man.

I understand that's how you feel. I disagree that everyone's social experience and cultural value are limited by sex realist beliefs in biological reality.

I'm not speaking about you as an individual. My focus is on the numerous young people who've been gaslit into believing that their uncomfortable growing bodies and numerous mental health co morbidities can be "cured" by sex change drugs and brutal experimental surgery.

You do seem to post endlessly about your personal experiences on here, seemingly under the mistaken impression that your experiences are directly relevant to all children and young people.

As a general point (and not a personal criticism) the reality is that society needs to safeguard children from older adults trying to impose their niche beliefs and experiences on them in ignorance of all the psychological, developmental issues and social contagion that are relevant to children and young people. For too long trans lobby groups have been allowed to influence child healthcare, education, sport etc despite their lack of knowledge and expertise about child development, safeguarding and their wellbeing.

Just because one adult believes they're doing OK, is not a reason for society to exempt gender confused children from the professional expertise that's been developed in treating and supporting mentally vulnerable children.

No society doesn't, just because the people you personally might know don't say it to your face, doesn't mean society doesn't know your a man.

Does anyone remember the short period in which TRA's were insistent that 'no-one has ever said they can actually change sex!!!' in an attempt to make us look absolutely bonkers?

I do remember this actually, there was a really good article on substack about it:

https://speakingplainly.substack.com/p/is-it-really-true-that-no-ones-denying

As a general point (and not a personal criticism) the reality is that society needs to safeguard children from older adults trying to impose their niche beliefs and experiences on them in ignorance of all the psychological, developmental issues and social contagion that are relevant to children and young people. For too long trans lobby groups have been allowed to influence child healthcare, education, sport etc despite their lack of knowledge and expertise about child development, safeguarding and their wellbeing.

Just because one adult believes they're doing OK, is not a reason for society to exempt gender confused children from the professional expertise that's been developed in treating and supporting mentally vulnerable children.

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Yes, and now they have decided that they can, in fact, change sex.

How anybody can truly believe this is a mystery.

You may think that but Society agrees you are a man. Sorry buddy. We don’t rule biology. Or society.

It’s right up there with flat earthers and “moon landings are fake” theorists. I feel a bit sorry for them. I wonder if they do gender affirming tin foil hats…. Oooh think I’ve spotted a gap in the market! I’m off to Google.

Explain all the kids fast tracked onto puberty blockers and hormones then please.
20 years forsooth.

And again with the assumption that the women on this board have never met or spoken to a trans person.
There are women on here MARRIED to a transwoman, parents of "trans kids" work colleagues and friends or neighbours. Why don't YOU try listening to us for a blooming change?

I don't have to imagine it. It's FAR more common than the scenario you postulated about gender dysphoric patients. But I think you probably know that

Thanks for the link, there's a lot of delusional people out there. Hopefully someone who posted on this board recently, who claimed in essence 'trans' aren't claiming they can change sex, will read the article and realise how much sense they have mistakenly subscribed to 'transIDin@ men.

Pointing out the reality's of biology to 'trans'IDing males is not 'transphobic' (no such word), it's just telling the truth, inconvenient as it is, it can't be denied.

Society does NOT disagree. At best, society might humour you and pander to you but no one actually believes humans can change sex. Even the bekinders who pretend they do.

A brilliant article which I have not seem before - thank you!

I see the deeply sinister, boggle eyed Jeffrey is on there (shudders). Whenever we get a 'troubling bedfellows' post, I always think 'really?, really?!'

I've actually got more time for the flat earthers than I do for this nonsense. The flat earth theory is clearly nonsense but at least they aren't at docks, screaming 'don't do it!!!! You'll fall off the edge!!!' at people boarding for cruises, or insisting (in the manner of Discworld) that taxes should be paid for the upkeep of the Circumfence.

Those of us who had treatment for body dismorphia as it was called 40, 50 or 60 years ago as young people had watchful waiting ie talking therapy are happy in our bodies and didn't transition as kids or teens, only 1 from my group therapy ended up transitioning as an adult and he would never claim to be a woman.
There was no puberty blockers or cross sex hormones for kids or teens. Oh and nobody was allowed to transition medically until they were fully aware that it would not change their sex in anyway and only made them appear more like the opposite sex.

That's precisely why it's a good comparison... Given the number of issues POST transition with mental health and long term complications.

The evidence is starting to be damning on this.