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Baroness Faulkner on Women’s Hour now

31 replies

Cantunseeit · 17/04/2026 10:26

Plopping and running as out and about. Started about 10.20 or so

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 17/04/2026 16:15

Well that's the first time I've listened to WH in about 100 years!

KF is the very embodiment of resilience. She is so strong. Her answers were great. Very reasoned and principled. She was excellent. So impressively clear.

Thanks for the heads-up, OP.

MarieDeGournay · 17/04/2026 16:44

MelOfTheRoses · 17/04/2026 15:07

It maybe sounds like 'ren' rather than 'ern' if there is a short vowel sound for 'e' and a strong rhotic 'r'.

Rhotic 'r's 'r' us😄
Irish Gaelic does not 'like' two consonants one after the other, and puts a vowel in between. Usually. Sometimes. Somebody is bound to come up with an exception😒
This survives in Hiberno-English as in 'fillum' for film.
'Modh-er-in' for 'modern' sounds very likely, Emilesgran.

My local accent would have a very short 'a' in Daleks, UtopiaPlanitia, but I can hear it being lengthened in other accents.

PS Baroness Falkner is a wonderful and inspiring woman, who deserves better than having her thread derailed by linguistics - but we just can't help ourselves, can we?Grin

Abhannmor · 17/04/2026 16:58

Emilesgran · 17/04/2026 15:47

Yes you’re right about “modren” for “modern” though I couldn’t have said which regions use that. So now I’m wondering whether it’s related to the addition of that extra vowel in words like “film” - or as I grew up saying, “Fillim”.
It could have been “moderen” with the first e gradually disappearing couldn’t it?
Maybe I owe Ms McGoveren my apologies!

(And apologies too to people looking for a discussion of the wonderful Baroness Kishwer Falkner - back on topic now!)

Yes there is a glide vowel in Irish between R and N / M and also L / M . Not sure that's the etymologists term but for example Colm is said something like Collum. Hence ' fillum' I suppose.

Back on topic : yes the Baroness shows great forbearance!

Primroseandgolf · 17/04/2026 17:16

ThisOneLife · 17/04/2026 12:38

Nuala annoys me for the (probably unreasonable of me) reason that she introduces herself as Nuala McGovREN, when her name is McGovERN) ! I’m Irish and know people called McGovern and none of them call themselves McGovREN.

The ‘ren’ or ‘ran’ pronunciation actually matches the original Irish pronunciation of the name better than ‘ern’ does. It’s the choice of ‘ern’ for the anglicised spelling of the name’s final syllable’s that’s odd really. But anglicised spellings were often off like that and sometimes the pronunciation of a name changed over the years to reflect the new English spelling and sometimes it didn’t.
www.libraryireland.com/names/mag/mag-shamhradhain-mag-shamhrain.php

ThisOneLife · 18/04/2026 15:39

UtopiaPlanitia · 17/04/2026 15:59

🤔 Hiberno-English dialects have a tendency to add post-vocalic 'R' in words that, to us, sound like the speakers are using a non-voiced 'R' in British-English dialects e.g. 'DaRleks' instead of "Daleks'. It could have something to do with that plus your theory of the pronunciation shortening...

When I hear Baroness Falkner discussing her time at EHRC, I am always surprised at how charitable she is in discussing the activist employees who tried to ruin her reputation and get her fired. She's a damn sight more understanding than I would be.

I always think that the extra “r” after a long a is a Southern English thing - calling drawers drawr-ers etc. I once had a very weird conversation with someone who I thought was looking for car keys, but in the end it turned out to be something khaki!!

ThisOneLife · 18/04/2026 15:40

Abhannmor · 17/04/2026 13:55

Not sure. Some Irish people seem to dislike that ERN sound. My nan used to say ' ModRen' for modern. She was from Roscommon , plenty of McGoverns up that way.

I do admit to being irrational about it. Carol, now departed from BBC Breakfast weather always said south-ren and I didn’t mind because she’s so nice .

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