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Written statement at 2.30pm today: First Anniversary of the FWS v SM ruling

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Forresty · 14/04/2026 10:56

Just pointing this out, separate from any threads it may have been mentioned on, so people not involved on those threads can be aware.

Does anyone know where/when it will be published?

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OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 14/04/2026 19:01

I keep getting stuck on one word, which is 'fuckwit'. No idea why that keeps coming to mind, or why I feel it's so very important in regard to the Labour govt and a few specific people in it. But it's like an ear worm I can't shake.

BeMoreBear · 14/04/2026 19:13

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 14/04/2026 18:47

No way was that 2018! I remember changing my username to WeBuiltCisCityOnSeeingSouls.

It’s shocking and depressing how long we have been fighting for this. Would they ever just get the fuck on with it.

inarticulate day today.

Can I just say? I've always thought that your current username is the best one on this whole site, makes me laugh every single time!

...apropos of nothing...

as you were

Llamasarellovely · 14/04/2026 20:24

murasaki · 14/04/2026 18:43

They do, very often. Whittome, for example. Less intelligent than my cat, by a long way.

Oh mine too. And mine got bested by a leaf yesterday

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 14/04/2026 22:04

Do check out the oppositions comments https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1slfo0r/parliamentheldadebateonthesupremecourt/

“Putting "we can always tell" in the permanent Hansard record sure is one for the books, Very Normal Behaviour ”

Not the slam dunk this lad thinks it is.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 14/04/2026 22:04

Pleasealexa · 14/04/2026 18:40

It seems to be a pre req for Lib Dems selection. People think Lib Dem are harmless but they are very anti women rights.

Yes this. My MP is a Lib Dem with teenage daughters. How he lives with himself given the Lib Dems extremely harmful misogyny I don't know.

I thought the juxtaposition of Marie Goldman saying 'oh the poor men who want to be women who won't get their fetish stoked piece of paper now' compared to the comment about murderers and rapists being housed with captive unconsenting women in prisons rather highlighted the morality and values of each side.

Lib Dems very much not on the right side of history, or indeed sanity, on this one.

GallantKumquat · 14/04/2026 22:17

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 14/04/2026 22:04

Yes this. My MP is a Lib Dem with teenage daughters. How he lives with himself given the Lib Dems extremely harmful misogyny I don't know.

I thought the juxtaposition of Marie Goldman saying 'oh the poor men who want to be women who won't get their fetish stoked piece of paper now' compared to the comment about murderers and rapists being housed with captive unconsenting women in prisons rather highlighted the morality and values of each side.

Lib Dems very much not on the right side of history, or indeed sanity, on this one.

The irony is that Falkner was Lib Dem. Her interview on the Difficult Women podcast is fascinating because she's practically a typifying 20th century Lib Dem: real world effects vs moral grandstanding, emphasis material reality, frank assessment of costs, universal and objective equality and an insistence on reason and well argued policy. She talks about it directly. Current Lib Dem trends are practically an inversion.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5493671-difficult-women-podcast-baroness-kishwer-falkner

GallantKumquat · 14/04/2026 22:28

IdaGlossop · 14/04/2026 15:51

I've just read an X/Tweet from Sex Matters. It explains that the provisions of the 2006 Equalities Act give responsibility for producing guidance to the EHRC. There is no provision for ministers to amend the draft. Yet Bridget Phillipson has amended it. What we need now is a push for the changes to be published and a case to be brought against her.

From the Time (the denial):

archive.ph/ajmXl

Sources close to Phillipson said they “completely dispute” that she asked the regulator to “tone down” the guidance. They said the request was that the EHRC ensured there was clarity for all kinds of services and that the code was accessible and robust.

It's not clear, even if we take the denial at face value, that it's in compliance with:

Section 14(7) of the Equality Act 2006 says that before issuing a code the EHRC shall submit a draft to the Secretary of State, who shall either approve the draft and lay a copy before Parliament or give the EHRC written reasons why she does not approve it. The legal framework does not envisage this as a back-and-forth process of backroom negotiations between the government and the EHRC.

nitter.poast.org/SexMattersOrg/status/2044038030315405765#m

IdaGlossop · 14/04/2026 22:58

GallantKumquat · 14/04/2026 22:28

From the Time (the denial):

archive.ph/ajmXl

Sources close to Phillipson said they “completely dispute” that she asked the regulator to “tone down” the guidance. They said the request was that the EHRC ensured there was clarity for all kinds of services and that the code was accessible and robust.

It's not clear, even if we take the denial at face value, that it's in compliance with:

Section 14(7) of the Equality Act 2006 says that before issuing a code the EHRC shall submit a draft to the Secretary of State, who shall either approve the draft and lay a copy before Parliament or give the EHRC written reasons why she does not approve it. The legal framework does not envisage this as a back-and-forth process of backroom negotiations between the government and the EHRC.

nitter.poast.org/SexMattersOrg/status/2044038030315405765#m

Phillipson's supporters are not helping her, firstly because they are not making any reference to the legal framework and secondly because it's unlikely that what they say she fed back to the EHRC would have taken eight months to draft. There's a simple way to move this on: publish Phillipson's letter to the EHRC. That won't happen, of course.

Boiledbeetle · 14/04/2026 23:13

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 14/04/2026 22:04

Do check out the oppositions comments https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1slfo0r/parliamentheldadebateonthesupremecourt/

“Putting "we can always tell" in the permanent Hansard record sure is one for the books, Very Normal Behaviour ”

Not the slam dunk this lad thinks it is.

Edited

I see they are getting worked up over Rosie Duffield saying in Hansard

"I think it is fairly obvious that the hon. Gentleman is a man, to be honest. I think the majority of the human race could tell that. If there is a much smaller person running in that category, they simply do not belong there."

However, that's the uncorrected version of what she actually said!

Go to 14:52:36 for the guy asking the parkrun question and Rosie is straight after.

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/3c7187b2-a408-41df-84c3-892eeb0b4dab?in=14:52:36

Parliamentlive.tv

Westminster Hall

https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/3c7187b2-a408-41df-84c3-892eeb0b4dab?in=14%3A52%3A36

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/04/2026 00:57

MissGendering · 14/04/2026 15:01

Is she a TRA or actually a GC undercover? She's making such easily rebutted points

And making them very smugly too 🙄

Kinsters · 15/04/2026 02:01

Wow that Reddit discussion is quite something. They don't seem to actually counter any of the points made other than what is clearly a misunderstanding or perhaps an error in Hansard where Rosie Duffield seems to suggest that smaller men should not be in the male category for the purpose of parkrun. That's clearly not in line with GC beliefs so I'm not sure why they've latched on to it.

Kinsters · 15/04/2026 06:13

I think that this is a pivotal moment for trans activists. Now is the time for compromise and discussion about trans people's place in our society. Men cannot use female facilities or take places for women, that is totally off the table. But there are compromises like do they want to campaign for gender neutral spaces to be standard in addition to male and female, or do they want to "widen the bandwidth of what it means to be male" ie men can wear dresses, makeup, carry handbags, be called Gwen etc and are welcomed into male spaces. I don't know which is more acceptable, I suspect the former but who knows.

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 08:22

GallantKumquat · 14/04/2026 22:17

The irony is that Falkner was Lib Dem. Her interview on the Difficult Women podcast is fascinating because she's practically a typifying 20th century Lib Dem: real world effects vs moral grandstanding, emphasis material reality, frank assessment of costs, universal and objective equality and an insistence on reason and well argued policy. She talks about it directly. Current Lib Dem trends are practically an inversion.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5493671-difficult-women-podcast-baroness-kishwer-falkner

What happened to the Libdems?! 😭

Kinsters · 15/04/2026 08:32

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 08:22

What happened to the Libdems?! 😭

I know! I've never voted for a party other than the Lib Dems. I didn't vote in the last two general elections and I don't know who I would vote for in the next one. The place I'm registered to vote it's between conservatives and lib dem. They're all awful choice. I would vote green were it not for the gender batshittery because I do think the climate emergency is hugely important.

TheNoWord · 15/04/2026 08:42

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 08:22

What happened to the Libdems?! 😭

Almost £1.6 million in donations from Ferring Pharmaceuticals (manufacturers of puberty blockers) is perhaps what happened to the LibDems.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 15/04/2026 08:57

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 08:22

What happened to the Libdems?! 😭

Helen belcher happened

fromorbit · 15/04/2026 08:57

TA MPs also mostly ducked out of the puberty blockers debate. Previously they attended such things to voice crazy opinions. This change is significant.

Two elements 1 - on some level I think they feel they can't justify their opinions and are ashamed. They don't want to be confronted by the reality of what they think. They can't argue it out.

2 - They are using behind the scenes lobbying to try to get what they want.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5507422-puberty-blocker-debate-in-uk-parliament-just-about-to-start

Puberty Blocker Debate in UK Parliament just about to start. | Mumsnet

[[https://www.youtube.com/live/HHa3B2PiX60 E-petition debate relating to the clinical trial into puberty blockers - Monday 23 March 2026. - YouTube]]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5507422-puberty-blocker-debate-in-uk-parliament-just-about-to-start

TheNoWord · 15/04/2026 09:02

For those who prefer to read rather than watch (and know who is speaking!) here is yesterday’s WH debate:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2026-04-14/debates/32FECBA0-3E6D-4546-ADF1-865FA6311589/“ForWomenScotland”CourtRulingFirstAnniversary

fromorbit · 15/04/2026 09:11

Hansard text for debate:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2026-04-14/debates/32FECBA0-3E6D-4546-ADF1-865FA6311589/%E2%80%9CForWomenScotland%E2%80%9DCourtRulingFirstAnniversary

Final comment:

Carla Lockhart

I thank all hon. Members for their participation. I want to thank the Minister, but she completely avoided the question about Northern Ireland, so I want her to write to me on that to ensure Northern Ireland women are protected in the same way as women in England, Scotland and Wales.

I especially thank the hon. Member for Canterbury (Rosie Duffield) for her efforts. She has often faced significant backlash, and yet she continues with courage. The Government need to realise that we are not going away until we see the change that every biological woman deserves. In Upper Bann and right across this United Kingdom, they deserve protection. We simply want the Government to reflect what the Supreme Court clarified: that “women” in the Equality Act refers to biological sex. It should not need law or clarity. It is time that this wokeness and ideology was kicked into touch. A woman is an adult human female, and women across the UK deserve to be protected. I thank everyone for their time today.

Question put and agreed to.

Resolved,

That this House has considered the first anniversary of the For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers ruling.

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 09:23

Kinsters · 15/04/2026 08:32

I know! I've never voted for a party other than the Lib Dems. I didn't vote in the last two general elections and I don't know who I would vote for in the next one. The place I'm registered to vote it's between conservatives and lib dem. They're all awful choice. I would vote green were it not for the gender batshittery because I do think the climate emergency is hugely important.

I agree the environment and climate change are important. I'm an ex Greem member. Unfortunately these issues no longer feature much in so called Green politics.

Cantunseeit · 15/04/2026 10:33

Just watched yesterday’s debate and was struck by a distinct Webberly vibe from that LibDem TRA. Smirking, patronising tone to deliver emotive garbage. Do you think they all go through the same presentation training?

on a more serious note, it’s a shame no one intervened to address her specious argument that men need to prove they are using women’s toilets to get a GRC when we all know they just need a gas bill in their lady name

WiseWomanOfPutney · 15/04/2026 11:07

MissGendering · 15/04/2026 09:23

I agree the environment and climate change are important. I'm an ex Greem member. Unfortunately these issues no longer feature much in so called Green politics.

Hannah Spencer didn't mention them at all in her maiden speech

WiseWomanOfPutney · 15/04/2026 11:17

I couldn't see any Green Party MP at yesterday's debate. I don't know whether that is significant or not. I thought that, given the imminent elections, they might take the opportunity to signal to their 'trans siblings'.

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 15/04/2026 16:08

They're more trusting than I am.

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