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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Written statement at 2.30pm today: First Anniversary of the FWS v SM ruling

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Forresty · 14/04/2026 10:56

Just pointing this out, separate from any threads it may have been mentioned on, so people not involved on those threads can be aware.

Does anyone know where/when it will be published?

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/04/2026 13:56

Cookiepuss · 17/04/2026 13:52

Thank you so much - combined with the wealth of information from other posters on here, I am hoping to put together a balanced response to my worse than useless MP. At the moment it reads:

Oh FFS, really!!!!

Oh, I wish I had the guts to just write that to my useless MP!! 😆😆

SinnerBoy · 17/04/2026 18:07

Thanks for the Sonia Sodha Times article, I didn't realise that they are STILL using the illegal, old "guidance." She's surely in breach of the law? They SC Judgment said to obey the law immediately, not fucking prevaricate endlessly and pretend it's all too hard and unfair.

FFS!

MarieDeGournay · 17/04/2026 22:30

Cookiepuss · 17/04/2026 12:35

I used the basis of an email from Sex Matters to send to my MP to express my concerns that this keeps getting delayed. Got the standard trite response with the usual words of "marginalised", "vulnerable", "toxic debate" blah blah blah.

I'm sitting on my hands before I send my response as the initial draft was less than polite.

My tactic is to head them off at the pass/getting my retaliation in first by putting as many words like "marginalised", "vulnerable", "toxic debate" into my letter:

blah blah ...sure you share my concern for marginalised and vulnerable groups in society like the homeless or [.....], and would agree with me that because the transgender community quite rightly enjoy all the same rights as everyone else, it is inaccurate to say that they are either marginalised or vulnerable, and unfair? offensive? to those who truly are...

blah blah ... so important to take the heat out of the debate by avoiding claims based solely on feelings, and sticking instead to verifiable facts and what the law actually says...

This at least deprives them of their mindless go-to nonsense words, so if they want to be trite, they have to work a bit harder at it.Grin

BeKindWisely · 17/04/2026 22:33

MarieDeGournay · 17/04/2026 22:30

My tactic is to head them off at the pass/getting my retaliation in first by putting as many words like "marginalised", "vulnerable", "toxic debate" into my letter:

blah blah ...sure you share my concern for marginalised and vulnerable groups in society like the homeless or [.....], and would agree with me that because the transgender community quite rightly enjoy all the same rights as everyone else, it is inaccurate to say that they are either marginalised or vulnerable, and unfair? offensive? to those who truly are...

blah blah ... so important to take the heat out of the debate by avoiding claims based solely on feelings, and sticking instead to verifiable facts and what the law actually says...

This at least deprives them of their mindless go-to nonsense words, so if they want to be trite, they have to work a bit harder at it.Grin

Pure Genius!!👌

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/04/2026 23:53

SinnerBoy · 17/04/2026 18:07

Thanks for the Sonia Sodha Times article, I didn't realise that they are STILL using the illegal, old "guidance." She's surely in breach of the law? They SC Judgment said to obey the law immediately, not fucking prevaricate endlessly and pretend it's all too hard and unfair.

FFS!

I think employers like the civil service are basically daring employees to sue to obtain their legal rights (as defined by the SC ruling). And they're not going to budge from their current outdated position until forced to by either such an employee lawsuit or the government actually making them obey the law.

For a mature democracy such as the UK, this flagrant flouting of the law is very unusual and a definite sign of decline in civic society/public life.

moto748e · 19/04/2026 00:06

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/04/2026 23:53

I think employers like the civil service are basically daring employees to sue to obtain their legal rights (as defined by the SC ruling). And they're not going to budge from their current outdated position until forced to by either such an employee lawsuit or the government actually making them obey the law.

For a mature democracy such as the UK, this flagrant flouting of the law is very unusual and a definite sign of decline in civic society/public life.

Couldn't agree more, @UtopiaPlanitia . I think that's exactly where we are, and it's worrying. Do we have the rule of law, or don't we?

Cookiepuss · 19/04/2026 08:10

MarieDeGournay · 17/04/2026 22:30

My tactic is to head them off at the pass/getting my retaliation in first by putting as many words like "marginalised", "vulnerable", "toxic debate" into my letter:

blah blah ...sure you share my concern for marginalised and vulnerable groups in society like the homeless or [.....], and would agree with me that because the transgender community quite rightly enjoy all the same rights as everyone else, it is inaccurate to say that they are either marginalised or vulnerable, and unfair? offensive? to those who truly are...

blah blah ... so important to take the heat out of the debate by avoiding claims based solely on feelings, and sticking instead to verifiable facts and what the law actually says...

This at least deprives them of their mindless go-to nonsense words, so if they want to be trite, they have to work a bit harder at it.Grin

Thank you - those are really good points to include although quite honestly I just want to respond in huge red letters saying "FOLLOW THE FUCKING LAW YOU MUPPETS", hence still sitting on the response over the weekend. Maybe I could put that in as a footnote!

moto748e · 19/04/2026 11:03

Cookiepuss · 19/04/2026 08:10

Thank you - those are really good points to include although quite honestly I just want to respond in huge red letters saying "FOLLOW THE FUCKING LAW YOU MUPPETS", hence still sitting on the response over the weekend. Maybe I could put that in as a footnote!

I like that approach. You could add, DON'T PISS DOWN MY LEG AND TELL ME IT'S RAINING!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/04/2026 11:39

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/04/2026 23:53

I think employers like the civil service are basically daring employees to sue to obtain their legal rights (as defined by the SC ruling). And they're not going to budge from their current outdated position until forced to by either such an employee lawsuit or the government actually making them obey the law.

For a mature democracy such as the UK, this flagrant flouting of the law is very unusual and a definite sign of decline in civic society/public life.

I posted this on another thread but it's relevant here. Janice Turner in the Times exposing the government's complicity with an openly trans captured civil service working against the interests of citizens to impose their own niche view. All part of the "behind the scenes " manipulation. Despite the SC judgment, there's still a powerful Office for Equality and Opportunity (OEO) - a Cabinet Office unit at the heart of government - openly promoting transactivism and undermining women's rights and sanctioned by the government.

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/gender-ideologues-bridget-phillipson-xwknjm39s

Extract:
"The OEO’s deputy director is Ollie Entwistle, who spent nine years as chair of the civil service Rainbow Alliance working to get government departments higher up Stonewall’s Champions index, which gave points for erasing words such as “mother” or “maternity” from HR policy. It also rewarded letting civil service staff choose facilities based upon gender identity not sex, illegal under 1992 workplace regulations. This, incredibly, is still Cabinet Office policy because it is “waiting for the EHRC guidance”, which doesn’t even apply to employers and is being blocked by Phillipson’s own officials".

Gender ideologues run rings round Bridget Phillipson

Equalities minister has still to present statutory guidance on single-sex spaces. Maybe she hopes for a reshuffle rescue

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/gender-ideologues-bridget-phillipson-xwknjm39s

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 19/04/2026 19:26

Points awarded for excluding, harassing, oppressing and harming women, removing their equality, and from hiding all the evidence of this (and deriding the bits that couldn't be hidden.)

The point has been made for years: the blueprint is here for how any political lobby can successfully take over and control government. The next lobby may want more than to use and abuse women. The government being absolutely devoid of principle or teeth in spotting and resisting this, or actually holding and working the values they so frequently bang on about as if merely saying it makes it real, is how it has been successful.

This was raised with the minister for safeguarding during a MN 'web chat' but the question was deleted as naughty.

BeMoreBear · 19/04/2026 20:12

the blueprint is here for how any political lobby can successfully take over and control government

I find this quite alarming, actually, the fact that the government of today is powerless to take charge and stop this from embedding itself in the first place. And, as you say, it could be anyone next!

(or is it as simple as, they don't want to stop it becoming embedded?)

OpheliaWitchoftheWoods · 19/04/2026 22:51

It is amazing how much the modern political world leaves you looking in dismay at world leaders and country leaders wondering - is there some dark, shadowy plot run by unseen competent hands? Or are these people seriously just this dim and careless?

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