Jennifer Melle wins settlement from NHS

[RoyalCorgi]

Haven't seen a thread about this anywhere else, but Jennifer Melle, the nurse who refused to refer to a convicted sex offender by his preferred pronouns, and was disciplined, has won a settlement from the NHS trust she works for.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2vlxdnnpqo

For someone who is "working on a daily basis with neurodivergent and SEND adults who often need de-escalation strategies and risk management", I have to say your de-escalation and conflict resolution skills on this thread are risible.

Where's that been reported?

Did they? Have they been quoted as saying.. we told the charge nurse to back down!”
back down from what?

Exactly! So what she called a patient Mr instead of Mrs, it’s really not a big deal there has to be some context - medical situations needs to be refer to biological sex for safety (and common sense). The whole gender situ is pretty new still in society and people will make mistakes with pronouns and titles, it’s not always going to be this offensive and malicious intent people seem to think.

also a nasty pedophile and criminal doesn’t really get the rights to be and say what he wants he lost that right when he committed vile crimes! no sympathy for his hurt feelings.

so glad she won, shame on the NHS for what they’ve put her through and for the half a story bbc!

Who says?

Well I say. Duh

Slightly in love with @MyAmpleSheep for this post 😍

”piss boiling” is spot on for sentiment!

And this is defo worth repeating:
To save you the trouble of trying yet again - we all understand your point. I think it's rubbish, I think everyone else on this thread thinks it's rubbish, and it doesn't get any less rubbish the more you try to explain it.

To save you the trouble of trying yet again - we all understand your point. I think it's rubbish, I think everyone else on this thread thinks it's rubbish, and it doesn't get any less rubbish the more you try to explain it.

Amen to that.

The actual guards even asked her to back down. I assume they are familiar with this person.

No they didn't ask her back down they wanted her to collude in the lie that he is female and simper over him like they do. Pathetic.

🤘

Anway, well done again to Jennifer Melle. I hope the gutless, dick-pandering NMC pack it in now.
Jennifer turned up to the puberty blocker demo. She is an absolutely star for making time to do that, even while in the midst of her own troubles.
That is the mark of someone who truly cares about children with ND and SEND, who are horrifically over-represented in the gender confused cohort.

Edit: NMC not RCN
Edit again: Though the RCN are gutless, dick-panderers too

What she actually said was:
‘I am sorry I cannot refer to you as her or she, as it’s against my faith and Christian values but I can call you by your name.’

This really sounds like the nurse attempting to de-escalate by finding a mutually acceptable solution.

It sounds like the nurse is saying something like - 'my strongly held faith means that I can't pretend that you have changed sex but I am happy to call you by your preferred name. If I do this it won't be necessary to use problematic sexed pronouns'

And that was far more gracious and dignified than the cunt deserved… NHS nurses should not be having to negotiate and capitulate like this.

AlwaysNuance

Do you understand that gender ideology, has, at its core, the demand that everyone comply with it? And that the way this is enforced is through threats. Of violence, doxing, firing, arrest?

And that the people it affects most are women? It literally erases the very concept. It means that men can follow women into any space in the country, on the planet. Because, it's comply, or else.

This is nothing like working with bloody neurodivergent adults.

It's the opposite of respect to comply, the opposite of de-escalation. It actively escalates the bloody ideology.

It's the reason why we're in the mess we are.

And yes, one of the reasons why this man lost it is, doubtless, because he is forcing the prison authorities to comply. He, and they, have completely normalised his dominance over this.

It was one of the main thrusts of the ideology to begin with. Put men into women's prisons, and everything else falls like a fucking house of cards.

It's imperative that women like Jennifer Melle don't do it.

It was one of the main thrusts of the ideology to begin with. Put men into women's prisons, and everything else falls like a fucking house of cards.

This, especially. It was always the plan, as has been long clear.

In the Christian Concern article. Second to bottom paragraph of screenshot.

I thought calling people who you disagree with bigots was what TRAs did?

"male bodied" - as opposed to just 'male'?

Showing that bias again, AlwaysNuance.

No. You said: The actual guards even asked her to back down. I assume they are familiar with this person.

There is just one guard in that quote and he isn't asking her to back down. He is asking her why she can't do what the prisoner wants and, when she explains (again), he says no more.

You are interpreting everything through your ideology. We can see you trying not to call the prisoner male, trying not to use pronouns.

@Datun

First you said "Do you understand that this board doesn't deal with that though?

It deals with the men who are violent, the ones who do want to get into women's intimate spaces, against their consent, who do want to punch them in the Olympic boxing ring, do threaten them at their rallies, who insist on being called lesbians and who want to medicate children.

Many women here know transwomen who aren't interested in any of that. So what?"

Then you said

"Do you understand that gender ideology, has, at its core, the demand that everyone comply with it? And that the way this is enforced is through threats. Of violence, doxing, firing, arrest?

And that the people it affects most are women? It literally erases the very concept. It means that men can follow women into any space in the country, on the planet. Because, it's comply, or else."

So does this board believe that most trans people are not radical but just quietly living their life, and doesn't concern itself with those people? Or does this board hold that gender ideology is enforced through threats, comply or else?

It's not breaching patient confidentiality to allude to a patient's transgender status, because being transgender isn't something a person can hide. It's immediately obvious to anyone with eyes.

Both. Many people are not arseholes.

However the arseholes try to enforce the ideology through death threats, job losses, comply or else.

It's quite simple.

Not necessarily. This man might have looked like a typical man, so nobody would guess that he claimed to believe he was a woman.

Referring to such a man using female pronouns would reveal his transgender status.

Do you understand the difference between individual people and ideology?

There are plenty of men who identify as women who do not promote the ideology that they are actually women. It's still sexist claptrap. And it's still using women for their own ends. And I disagree with it. But it's not comply or else.

You've even posted it yourself.

"He then shouted: I want your name and NHS number and am going to report you to the police for homophobia and to Patient Advice and Liaison
Service' (PALS)".

Jennifer didn't comply in the way he has come to expect.

And so she must be forced.

And her employer agreed. Until they took legal advice.

So does this board believe that most trans people are not radical but just quietly living their life, and doesn't concern itself with those people?

This may be true.

Or does this board hold that gender ideology is enforced through threats, comply or else?

This is quite clearly true.