Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

Unless your child is a teen who is just beginning puberty, there is very little that would apply in the answers I would provide to the questions you asked.

For some, I should think it is very hard to accept that you have been advocating for something that causes harm to children. Especially if you have been actively involved in causing that to happen.

For your own psychological state, its easier to deny the evidence, especially if you move in a tribe of people similarly motivated to deny the evidence.

I once read an interview with a psychologist who worked with sex offenders and pioneered group treatment therapy. When it was finally evaluated, it was found to have harmful effects in that it increased participants normalisation of their behaviour and propensity to reoffend.

The psychologist said that report had been a very hard read and she had to believe that it had worked for at least some offenders.

Males who received treatment to become females were psychologically healthier than all other cohorts entering the study

There isn't any treatment which turns males into females, though.

It is not biologically possible to change sex.

.........others will presumably be living as the opposite sex for the remainder of their lives

How does someone "live as the opposite sex" @onepostwonder?

Its also very hard to admit you have made a life damaging mistake.

Your beliefs prevent discussion of non-SR/GC definitions and applications of the word sex. I cannot answer this within the narrow limitations of SR/GR beliefs.

I have to say that there are many people advocating for transing children who genuinely believe they are doing the right thing by those children. I know two mothers who have transed their very young children. One mother who sees this as a permanent settled status and the other whose child moves in and out of trans status. Both have always been huge trans advocate ( huge coincidence their children are trans!). But there is no doubt they think they are doing the right thing by their children. One has had serious mental health issues of her own in the past and I imagine she is vulnerable to be susceptible to the ' better a live daughter than dead son' narrative.

I think both of these women would struggle to move away from their very committed beliefs. It would mean abandoning an entire world view and community they are very enmeshed in and committed too, and at least for one of them, admitting that she may have caused harm to the child she loves very much. I also imagine it would be socially humiliating to backtrack.

To return to the point of the thread - Herndon Graddick, former president of GLAAD said “We need to correct what’s wrong, “particularly the medicalization of children.”
He continued: “I just think that we should completely stop doing anything that might harm children, even if it admits that we’ve gotten something really wrong. And my understanding is that we have.”

So yes there may be some, even if not on mumsnet.

There's nothing narrow about the knowledge (not belief) that humans can't change sex, dude.

It's just a biological fact.

There is a lot of narrowing when you restrict the definition of sex to a person's gametes (or lack thereof) or one pair of chromosomes.

There's actually quite a large number of phenotypical differences between men and women, only the most superficial of which can be changed by surgery or drugs.

Well, how do you decide what sex a human being is?
What criteria do you apply?

Definitions are restricting. That’s literally how they work. They restrict the meaning of a word to a clear definition, so that we can communicate with each other effectively.

Also, there is only one primary sex characteristic and that’s the gamete. Everything else is a secondary sex characteristic.

I agree.

Outside of gestational development of primary sex characteristics and fertility (which seems to form the entirety of sex realist definition), sex hormones also affect development of the brain, secondary sex characteristics and skeleton which are much deeper than superficial.

Throughout life, hormones direct the activation of genes that heal wounds, maintain bone health, maintain heart and circulatory health, maintain healthy skin and hair, fat location and composition, muscle location and composition, veins, and the brain.

I became an estrogen dominant person in puberty when I flooded my body’s estrogen receptors. Puberty blockers weren’t around, but the estrogen I took did a really good job of blocking testosterone and giving me a growth spurt I was overjoyed to finally experience. I went from 4’10” and 80 lbs to 5’5” and 110 lbs in two years.

I became an oestrogen-dominant person in puberty when I flooded my body’s oestrogen receptors

Did you?
You still didn't become a woman.

I disagree.

You believe that you changed sex?

What's wrong with you?
You are concerned about kids who might not have access to healthcare, you say, but have expressed no concern that children might be harmed by powerful medications that have no reliable evidence base and many known and serious risks of long term harm?

I believe my sex, as it is relevant socially, is objectively female.

You can believe what you want, the rest of us know you're a man and always will be 😉

So no then.. A big fat nope.

believe, objectively…..but not a woman though.

Children have been used as they think it’s much easier to break down these barriers using them, look at all the GG nonsense and these poor children (boys).

My friends DD has ‘transitioned’ and been on testosterone for several years. She’s now morbidity obese and has fucked her bones (she’s had multiple major breaks) but they suggest it’s all been super successful. If people aren’t concerned with their own health they aren’t going to care about others.

You are inferring that I lack concern on a topic I am intimately personally experienced with. Trans healthcare is required by trans children and youth. Sex realist beliefs about risk and long term harm are often warped and do not reflect reality. Trans people are living long happy lives.

I am concerned that there are children and youth being harmed by whatever has driven them to request and acquire treatment that they should not have been pursuing. Those harmed require and should receive support. Clinicians and experts should have done better and if treatment is ever restarted in this country, need to do better.

Testosterone produced a huge growth spurt for me. I went from the bottom height centile for my age to well above average height for a man, in about four years.

And there again is a male person demanding his subjective belief about sex categories of humans that doesn’t reflect material reality is treated by anyone else and by organisations in society as being material reality.

You have artificially deconstructed what defines being female so that it fits your personal purpose, to include you. It doesn’t change material reality though that you are not female at all. Any extreme body modification is simply you investing in extreme body modification as a male person making you a male person with extreme body modification.