Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

No because they couldn't care less about the health of the kids involved. The kids are a shield.

What's happened to children - especially girls - is shameful. The deliberate targeting of children below the age of consent, who have yet to develop the life skills, the critical thinking and the insight and self awareness to navigate this adult ideology is shameful.
Collectively adults have failed to safeguard children from adults on a mission to sell their ideology to the young.
Collectively we've failed to safeguard children from being coerced and bullied into accepting the myth that sex change is desirable and that understanding facts and science is bigotry..
Collectively we've failed to reassure children that pubertal angst, strong feelings and confusion as they navigate their way through puberty is normal and doesn't mean they've been born in the wrong body.

Teenage girls were never part of this original minuscule group of boys and men historically caught up in thinking they were the opposite sex. Yet they've become the major group who've adopted this belief with so many of the trusted adults who should be safeguarding them, abandoning curiosity as to why this group have suddenly got caught up in this. The early research into Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria was deemed transphobic and silenced - abandoning these children to the attention of the powerful transactivist lobby.

We have completely failed them.

Having put up with you know who with the spiky rolling pin @onepostwonder appears to me to be sort of okay even though i do not agree, mostly.

Why were trans people more affected by AIDS than the general population?

@onepostwonder the reason you believe that it’s none of your f’n business is because you’ve no empathy for the women who think that men who say they are actual women are effectively stamping on everything feminists have fought for.

Maybe I don't understand your question? Trans people were on the periphery of the gay community where I grew up.

I disagree. But it doesn't matter on this forum, does it?

I'm not okay with you know who. I don't know how you could say I've put up with it when I've mostly tried to avoid.

You misunderstood i mean we have had to put up with this personage, not an attack on you.

You mean they were gay and took part in the gay sex scene?

I seem to recall that oneposter is actually same sex attracted. So AIDS would have been a terrible thing for his community.

Just wait. Though I am sure onepostwonder will be along to reassure you that they never invade spaces belonging to the opposite sex…

Some, yes. When I met older transitioning people in the 90s for the first time, they were coming from...somewhere else. They were somewhat homophobic and to this day remain very angry that some clinical environments blanket test all trans people for exposure to AIDS.

You'll be waiting for a very long time (assuming the sex realist definition of words).

Oh, understood!

Quite. Not so reasonable after all.

I'm pragmatic and have a very strong sense of self-preservation.

You destroy female spaces for your own selfish interests.

The answer OP is no. Doctors who transition children seem to be unwilling to acknowledge any doubt or concern whatsoever.

Trans identifying adults are completely unwilling to acknowledge the realities of transitioning children.

Ok the OP invited TRA’s and i suppose by implication trans identifying men to this thread so i am not going to jump on the one person who has shown up.

@onepostwonder (i hope you can accept this) i have noticed that some less offensive TIM are often confusing about there time line. And very confused about where they are at now politically speaking. I noticed this with Debbie Hayton. Who some time ago i had long e mail conversations with when i was researching and trying to figure out my own position.

Debbie was a bit contradictory in his interview with Julie Bindel, as a self confessed AGP.

I wonder if the hormones have an effect.

I also think that some TIM have started to realise and accept the affect on women's rights.

I forgot to say and the risks to children, seems Debbie and others cling on to the idea that there are children like them, but they should not be transitioned medically or socially until slightly older.

at a guess if they deny that children are trans they deny their own narrative.

we cannot know if their narrative is true.

Debbie was a bit contradictory in his interview with Julie Bindel, as a self confessed AGP.

The adults with AGP live vicariously through these boys, imagining how awesome it would have been to avoid puberty and “pass”, and live out their female fantasy better. There’s probably some envy and resentment there too, given the high rates of narcissistic personality disorders, but that also means the way these boys serve their own self interests wins out.

How on earth does a child in the 80s even do a “freakish amount of research “ on being trans. What utter bullshit. And I think I recognise this poster anyway 😂

Sadly i think the waters were muddied so long ago and the reasons behind why adult males transvestites and transexuals exist is difficult to establish because of an essay worth of reasons.

i think it would take a massive reset to factory mode to figure out if some children do in fact have gender dysphoria, and if in fact that is an actual condition.

i think it all points to social factors, trauma, homosexuality etc. but due largely to a campaign and the internet it is very hard to sift through the weeds.

it is however not difficult to conclude that the genspect approach is the appropriate one.

Trans people are still disproportionately affected by HIV.
source: https://www.who.int/teams/global-hiv-hepatitis-and-stis-programmes/populations/transgender-people#:~:text=Transgender%20people%20are%20around%2013,transgender%20populations%20regarding%20HIV%20epidemiology.

Transgender people are around 13 times more likely to be HIV-positive than other adults of reproductive age. In some regions, transgender women account for disproportionally large shares of new infections, including Asia and the Pacific (7%), Latin America (6%) and the Caribbean (5%). HIV prevalence among transgender women is estimated to be 28.4% in Eastern and Southern Africa; 13.5% in Western and Central Africa; 22.2% in Latin America; and 23.7% in the Caribbean (UNAIDS, 2020). Little data is available for transgender men and other transgender populations regarding HIV epidemiology. Even less data is available regarding prevalence and incidence rates of viral hepatitis and other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) in transgender people.
Overall, transgender people have low rates of access to health services due to a range of issues including violence, legal barriers, stigma and discrimination.
Violence against transgender people is common. Furthermore, transgender people may experience family rejection and violation of their rights to education, employment and social protections. As such, they may experience higher rates of unemployment, poverty, housing insecurity and marginalization.
In most countries, a lack of legal recognition of transgender people contributes to their exclusion and marginalization. While a few countries now recognize a “third gender”, in many settings transgender people are required to undergo genital surgery to gain legal recognition of their gender. Other countries will never recognize a change to the gender assigned at birth.