Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

Well I'm not sure that he has actually read the study, so don't hold your breath

I thought we had got a clear response - he doesn’t care so long as he gets what he wants.

Doesn't even care enough to read it, perhaps.

With a side salad of 'I couldn't get it that young so no one else should but I'll pretend it's concern'.

Buck Angel's response on X:

Cry harder @HelenWebberley IndiaWilloughby
You are going down HARD! Fucking with those kids

I'm having trouble believing that there were a large number of trans children being treated in the 1980s.

Tavistock didn't even start GIDS till 1989.

I would have expected at least one sternly written note by now, following the apparent destruction of 1000s of female spaces during my lifetime.

There were not a large number of trans children being treated in the 1980s. There were a handful of children in clinics in the 70s and 80s. There are more adolescents in clinics and seeing specialist psychiatrists. I would guess there were probably fewer than 50 my age worldwide over the entire decade.

If i recall correctly @onepostwonder is not in the UK.

I find it difficult to ascertain his motives to appear on here.

If it is for the purposes of self flagellation then he has certainly achieved that.

Anyway nobody from the TRA community has responded to this thread.

Trans-identifying men have historically tended to be sexually attracted to other men. The combination of: vaginal sex not being an option for men who have sex with men; anal sex being inherently higher risk than other sex acts; and thinking that an inability to get pregnant makes condoms optional, results in a higher HIV transmission rate amongst men who have sex with men than amongst men who only have sex with women.

It's only relatively recently that the straight AGPs have come out of the closet en masse.

It’s a matter of faith, not reason, to TRAs. It’s like talking about archaeology to a Jehovah’s Witness - there are scientific facts that disprove their philosophy, but the strength of their indoctrination and faith is impenetrable. Similarly discussing geography and cosmology with a flat-earther (I’ve tried, it was most discombobulating).

They will come up with what they think are flaws in the study - ‘oh but they didn’t do this, they should have done that, it’s not a serious journal’ etc etc but if a study was published that met all of the criteria they believe were missed and still produced results they didn’t like - imagine a perfect, watertight piece of research - there would be different reasons why it was unacceptable to them.

I have been quite open about my transition. While it took some effort and creativity, I don't believe I could have done it any earlier and that's quite okay. My transition issues all originated from a society and culture that either outright hated queer and trans people, or organizations that had no experience accommodating a trans person.

I would guess there were probably fewer than 50 my age worldwide over the entire decade.

Now it’s tens of thousands of children worldwide being medically transitioned. Yet still not any discussion about whether you are concerned about medical treatments for this cohort.

“Me, me, me, let’s talk about me and my transition and my views on women’s spaces.”

Not quite the point i was making.

But you still don't have the right to say 'as women' as you are not one, you are a transwoman, as you openly say, so male.

I find it difficult to ascertain his motives to appear on here.

Talking therapy.
Talking all about meeee therapy.

My clear position is I believe trans people should access social interventions at any age they wish. I also believe anyone who decides to desist or detrans at any age and at any point of transition, if they are in transition, should receive equal support and care. I believe trans children exist.

(I heard somewhere that 25 was identified because that is when the monitoring study ended? I'm no expert but the brain seems quite plastic beyond 25.) I believe 25, and 18 are arbitrary ages when it comes to competency and the ability to make life-defining decisions. I don't know, is there anything in life that is prevented until a person is 25 years old?

Access to medical care should be allowed after diagnostic criteria are met, as defined by experts who treat and follow trans children, specifically. I believe blockers are medical care. But I see them as a buffer rather than a road toward hormone replacement. Blockers aren't a treatment for gender dysphoria. If a child or adolescent is uncertain, then more psychiatric focus should be made rather than medical treatment. I don't believe blockers should be used diagnostically. I don't believe hormones should be used diagnostically in adolescents, either.

When an adolescent is certain about transition, has met diagnostic criteria overseen by experts and is capable of understanding that this is a life-long decision, I fully support intervention.

That said, I am one person who started transition at the age many adolescent trans people started before treatment was banned. I believe my access to treatment at that age was right for me. I haven't spent any time wondering what developing into an adult man would have been like. I was pretty against the idea when it seemed important.

’transwoman’ is a sop to TRA and still a theft of our language. He is a man.

My life experience is incompatible with your belief and that's okay. I will keep on living my life and you will keep your belief.

You should be able to guess what motivates men to invade female spaces, be they real
or virtual… and it isn’t ‘therapy’

None of your life experience is female though. It can't be.

Therapy in the very loosest sense of the word...

We live in the UK, but I'm still bouncing between the US and CA helping my mother following my father's death.

Motives? I've never been called a man until mumsnet.

I lurked for a while and initially felt your beliefs about trans people were off the charts weird. So I started to post. Now though, I realise the beliefs about trans people are just how you feel about spicy men and confused women.

What are spicy men, please?

Motives? I've never been called a man until Mumsnet

You are a man, though.

Spicy men

presume you mean ND?

spicy men = trans women
confused women = trans men.