Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

[mardirousse]

You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

So you have ceased to exist as a trans person and have completed the journey from man to woman. Got it.

Here’s your answer OP. TRAs are not remotely concerned about any finding that might cast doubt on the benefits of transitioning children because they are still living in denial about their own reality, let alone the reality of kids they don’t know.

Yeah. Humans can’t change sex, gender is a load of sexist bollocks and males with a trans identity are misogynists. If we took away their sexist, misogynistic stereotypes like “I’m a woman cos I’m short and slim (as one poster laughably claimed) then how would they even know they “felt like a woman”.

I see we’ve again returned to you referring to my body as sexist misogynistic stereotypes. And you’re continuing to infer that I feel like a woman when I’ve said I don’t believe I do.

Let me refresh your memory:

Do you feel that gender identity exists and is innate?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5513985-do-you-feel-that-gender-identity-exists-and-is-innate?page=16&reply=151584635

Do you feel that gender identity exists and is innate?
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5513985-do-you-feel-that-gender-identity-exists-and-is-innate?page=16&reply=151584764

The final response I made to you in the above thread was probably removed because I may be have called you a name at your repeated demands to discuss violence and rape with you.

My body is my body. I am identified as a woman. It doesn’t matter what I wear. It doesn’t matter how I speak. It doesn’t matter how I style my hair. I’ve shaved my head, it didn’t matter. People group me into ‘women’ regardless of how I feel.

I have a lifetime of men commenting on my competency and contributions in relation to those made by men. Usually followed with the phrase “…except she’s a woman.” Your beliefs about misogyny are your beliefs and they're so far away from mine.

This is the last time I will respond to you.

You genuinely and honestly think you have changed sex.

This is really helpful, tbh, because so often we have people claiming that nobody actually believes this.

I do feel for onepostwonder though, it sounds like he really did suffer gender dysphoria and made medical changes to his body at such an early stage he passes pretty well. I see people like him as collateral damage in trans ideology. I used to be fine with sharing spaces with people like him in an effort to be kind. I usually didn't notice or pay attention. Except in sports, that has always been a no from me.

But then came the demands that any man who says he is a woman should be treated as such and if you didn't you would be treated really badly, no matter how politely you objected. My government, not the UK, just changed the definition of sex to mean both sex as well as gender identity and added separate protections for gender identity, screwing women over twice, by slipping it into other legislation and hiding behind 'well the EU told us to'.
So, @onepostwonder,this is the reason why I will no longer be kind and accept people like you into womens spaces. Been there, done that, got abuse as thanks for it.

On topic, no, transactivists don't want to even consider they might be wrong. Because if gender identity isn't innate, the government has just handed access to female spaces to men based on a fleeting feeling. Then the government might also decide that fleeting feelings isn't good enough

Because I have a son who also claims to be a woman, at least he demands to be referred to as one, it's rather important to me to find out what this means. I've been looking for a coherent answer for several years. My questions are in good faith.

Do you promise?

It may be true that the poster had a rare case of gender dysphoria and I am not saying this to disagree with you at all.

However that being said. This poster also insists that he has become female and went through a female puberty. He also believes that people only identify him as a female person and no one correctly identifies him as a male person.

There never seems to be an acknowledgement that some people will have correctly identified him as male but will have acted as if they didn’t for many different reasons. And uses this improbable 100% perceived identification rate, refuses to acknowledge that he should not use female single sex provisions.

Using deception to acquire access or services to which you are not entitled is fraud. He is committing fraud.

His posts on here clearly shows he knows he is a man - and that he has been socialised as one. His whole experience of life is that of a male.

I mean, most of us know enough trans people IRL to know that claims of 'passing' are usually exaggerated (to say the least). So, the poster's claim is theoretically possible, but probability would suggest against it.

And, as we know, all adversarial posters here are invariably truthful, with a high degree of self-awareness...

It's the lack of empathy that gets to me. On threads like this, there are always female posters saying to trans-identifying men (paraphrased) "please stop it, I don't like it". And males carry on using female spaces regardless.

I am mixed race (one white English parent, one Asian parent). To look at me, most people think I'm Spanish or Italian. I have a hobby that largely takes place within the West Indian diaspora. My black friends are always unfailing polite at including white or mixed race people like me. But there's a limit, right? I am careful not to overstep their generosity - for example, I would be wary about things like waving their flag, or foisting myself onto their committees. I partake in the hobby alongside my black friends and they are welcoming because they're nice people and I contribute usefully to the group. But I am very careful to make sure I don't overstay my welcome. I imagine this is similar among people like expats; presumably Francophiles are honest about not actually being French.

This is one of the things that peaked me: enjoy the company of women - fine. Identify with us, fine. Identify as us - no thank you, get your own identity.

To return to the initial question; the lack of empathy for children has also been evidenced on this thread. Not just actual posts, but also all the glib gender supporters who haven't posted. It looks like trans enthusiasts just don't think that deeply about the bigger picture, and they just don't care to think about it. Very sad.

Perhaps they had additional reasons, but the only people I have known to die through their own action were trans and they had long experiences of having trans-related social difficulty

Male deaths through their own actions is considerably higher than women's. It likely that you know more men, hence your perception.

................but the only people I have known to die through their own action were trans and they had long experiences of having trans-related social difficulty

Trans-related social difficulty?
You mean people not accepting they're women, because they still look like men?

Repeat post.

Indeed.

the emotional manipulation behind the discussion about suicides of male people because people don’t believe that their subjective reality is based in material reality and won’t act as if it is, is really very clear.

It also never takes into account other contributing factors: men have a higher rate, autism, mental health diagnoses, trauma histories just to name some. It is very sad but true: transition is rarely if ever a choice made by healthy, happy, successful people.

For me, it's not accepting they're women, because they are men, not because they look like men. If a man looks like a woman, and I find out he's not, whether it's through his voice, or further information, or whatever, I will not accept him as a woman.
Equally, if I mistakenly misread a woman as male, and then realise she is indeed a woman, I'll happily accept her as such.

It is depressingly telling that I'm 24 hours and nearly 6 pages of responses, no trans rights activists has shown anygenuine concern that young trans identifying adolescents are being harmed by this treatment.

I agree @mardirousse
Those who have so much to say about other things have nothing to say about this.

I was going to say that regardless, there's been some pretty dreadful posts from this particular poster which have been utterly misogynistic and dismissive of women's actual issues to a point that it's been offensive at times.

He deffo sounded like an older male

Yup

I’ve seen many insinuations from regulars that new or infrequent posters are men or trans. I imagine accusations of ‘the worst misogyny ever’ are also thrown about quite liberally, but I can't say I've paid attention to them as there is a lot of misogyny and internalised misogyny in here. I've my own appraisals on what I read.

When I joined, I was stupidly trying to share some commonality in my experience to counter ‘facts’ presented as universally true. Almost every time I shared a personal experience, responses claimed my experience to be an appropriation of women. I’ve been told by FWR users that my experiences are a lie, impossible, fantasy, AGP, a fetish, predatory, dangerous.

There have been many straw men attacked in response to my posts. Random sex realist ‘facts’ have been tossed in front of me as a diversionary tactic with demands for me to personally address trans sins against humanity. The intent behind other posts was twisted and represented in very poor faith.

I’ve been called homophobic when I’ve compared sex realist beliefs in ‘Gender Ideology’ to beliefs about the ‘Gay Agenda.’

I’ve been called racist for comparing the ultimate outcome of sex realist demands of complete trans segregation to the enactment of Jim Crow laws in the US.

I’m about due for an unsolicited shoulder massage. I’ll be sure to relay your appraisal of my life to the guy unlucky enough to touch me, maybe he'll move on more quickly than they usually do.

Your bouquet of support flowers to my response calling out your bad faith showed me just how important this is to you.