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Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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mardirousse · 10/04/2026 15:21

You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

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onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 14:59

mardirousse · 15/04/2026 08:02

Yes, but he's on @22ztr 's side!

If you are referring to me, I don't have a side.

I was asked a question about, apparently, trans youth. I shared my thoughts. I wouldn't even call them recommendations or requests.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 15/04/2026 15:03

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 14:50

But it doesn't. It shows appointments to specialist psychiatrists are made at some point after intake and specifically after the start of "gender treatment" which can be a wide variety of things these days.

The study would have to identify actual diagnoses to then claim improved or worsening mental health.

Not to seek a psychiatric opinion before any medical or surgical "gender" treatment sounds like medical negligence to me.

mardirousse · 15/04/2026 15:09

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ScrollingLeaves · 15/04/2026 15:10

This may have been linked already but even the former President of GLAAD now thinks puberty blockers are wrong.
lynnwoodtimes.com/2026/03/24/trans/

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 15:31

22ztr · 15/04/2026 08:03

i don’t know if they are. They just thanked me for thanking them for their opinions. Let’s see their reaction to my thoughts on puberty blockers

I did thank you. Thank you.

I know nothing about puberty blockers other than what i've read. I've never used them personally. I starved my body out of changing, prior to starting hormones. I'm sure it probably compounded my future development of osteopenia, when added to the years I was lazy and didn't take any HRT in my 30s.

It sounds like puberty blockers are used diagnostically in some approaches, which I disagree with. PBs are not a resolution to gender dysphoria they only pause development. In other approaches, I've read PBs buy time to avoid sex development while a child matures so they are better able to decide about whether to pursue medical transition, which I also don't agree with. But I also understand that everyone is not like me and unwavering from an early age. I think uncertainty should be looked at clinically. It could be enough to disqualify someone from initiation of medical treatment (but not psychological treatment).

I see sex realists post that the brain doesn't develop on PBs and I've read people who have been on PBs share that it is inaccurate. I believe the words of people who have been through it over sex realist appeals.

I am not a great person to speak about this because I wasn't affected by 'the wrong puberty' as much as many others. I wish the best treatment for trans children and youth. I wish clinicians did better to restrict treatment to only those who require it. I don't actually know if puberty blockers stop height growth or promote it. Some trans youth seem really tall after taking them.

I will still defer to the expertise of the medical personnel who utilise them clinically, though.

If blocker use was stopped all together, I believe hormones alone could rarely be started in situations where someone is younger than 16, perhaps to 14 or 13. But it would be patient and clinician dependent rather than government regulated.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/04/2026 15:35

@onepostwonder · Today 15:31

But it would be patient and clinician dependent rather than government regulated.

That was what didn’t work in the Tavistock, for example.

murasaki · 15/04/2026 15:38

Out of interest, @onepostwonder, do you think the behaviour and actions of Helen Webberley are ok? Or are you recommending more regulated physicians.

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 15:58

Helleofabore · 15/04/2026 08:43

22ztr

Do you realise that every time onepost uses the term ‘sex realist’ he is doing so with the intention of insulting people? He has been very up front about that from when he started doing it.

Do you think it is respectful in a discussion to dismiss materially real and proven facts of science as belief? Is it respectful to characterise those who understand and believe those facts about human sex categorisation, that have not been disproven, to be effectively believers of cult like thinking and extremists?

I don’t consider that respectful at all. It is a form of gaslighting.

(It seems some posters identify with the sex realist label. “Gender critical” seems less descriptive to me.)

To be clear. I don’t dispute a definition of sex as used by sex realists as being one definition of sex.

I disagree with the sex realist belief that requires the application this biological root as significant or sufficient to replace social implications of sex (and I suppose gender) in day to day cultural interaction.

There is no scientific basis for replacing the social implications of sex with conformance to biological roots. Human life has evolved beyond gametes and reproduction unlike other animals.

Again, I respect that many of you hold the belief. It is your right. But I personally disagree with the belief.

TheKeatingFive · 15/04/2026 16:03

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 15:58

(It seems some posters identify with the sex realist label. “Gender critical” seems less descriptive to me.)

To be clear. I don’t dispute a definition of sex as used by sex realists as being one definition of sex.

I disagree with the sex realist belief that requires the application this biological root as significant or sufficient to replace social implications of sex (and I suppose gender) in day to day cultural interaction.

There is no scientific basis for replacing the social implications of sex with conformance to biological roots. Human life has evolved beyond gametes and reproduction unlike other animals.

Again, I respect that many of you hold the belief. It is your right. But I personally disagree with the belief.

You're trying to replace the meaning of sex, with something other than the meaning of sex.

Its absolute bullshit.

anyolddinosaur · 15/04/2026 16:05

If someone is making an increased number of visits to a psychiatric service then it is reasonable to state that their mental health has deteriorated. Apparently opw thinks they are going there for fun and games.

You dont have to be a researcher in trangender health care to recognise the difference between a valid scientific study and junk science - or junk criticism. It's easier if you have a background in medical research. Some of those who are engaged in what they describe as "research" clearly have little understanding of the basic principles of scientific methods of investigation. Onepostwonder doesnt need to say they've never done any scientific research as that is very obvious. Unfortunately the people they are listening to also dont seem to have that understanding or they have abandoned any sort of ethics.

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:10

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/04/2026 09:20

I want all the drugs to go through menopause and I want drs happy and confident prescribing them. If tras get me that by shouting loudly fab.

TRAs are not going to get you that by shouting loudly.
They shout loudly for themselves, no one else.
They don't give a shit about menopausal women.

I disagree.

Most of my friends know I have been on HRT since puberty. I was often the first person they asked about HRT. I answered questions and suggested they speak to their GPs/gynaes.

murasaki · 15/04/2026 16:12

No male teen should have a gynaecologist, and no ethical gynaecologist should treat them.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/04/2026 16:13

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:10

I disagree.

Most of my friends know I have been on HRT since puberty. I was often the first person they asked about HRT. I answered questions and suggested they speak to their GPs/gynaes.

Oh, did you?

Bless.

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:13

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 15/04/2026 09:48

Women. All women.

You're a man, so you can't understand that. We have to be careful and assess situations all the time with regard to our safety.

You don't. You can pretend to be a woman till you die, but you'll never have to feel that fear.

I'm not the person telling people how to react to trauma or fear.

Wearenotborg · 15/04/2026 16:26

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 14:40

This has never happened to me, but I've seen of women post in FWR to say they've been approached in toilets, etc. by women concerned that the poster is in the wrong space. They are happy to report that they open their mouths and speak and all is made good in the world.

What is different if I were to turn around and speak?

They’d know you were male and ask you to leave?

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 15/04/2026 16:26

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:13

I'm not the person telling people how to react to trauma or fear.

Neither am I.
But you know that.

You also know that if you are assaulted in the dark in the street, by a man, you've got a very good chance of surviving. This is because you're a man, and men are physically stronger than women.

<<<waits for onepostwonder to tell me that's just my opinion>>>

Wearenotborg · 15/04/2026 16:27

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:10

I disagree.

Most of my friends know I have been on HRT since puberty. I was often the first person they asked about HRT. I answered questions and suggested they speak to their GPs/gynaes.

But… bit. … no. Just no. Why would they ask a male about HRT and the menopause?

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 15/04/2026 16:32

It isn't HRT anyway when given to males who think they can change sex@onepostwonder

HRT is replacement of the female hormones oestrogen and progesterone, which menopausal women lack or have insufficient supplies of.

But you know that, too. And that isn't just my opinion, for the avoidance of doubt. It's a fact.

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:36

22ztr · 15/04/2026 10:29

No if you start regulating hormones too much you get more hoops to jump through. The cancer risks make it hard enough for women. Do we need to add psychological assements too for example? Does a dr need to confirm menopause? How can you confirm such a subjective thing?

do you see where tras would take this?

I just renewed my HRT in Canada, while I'm here for an extended stay.

All forms of birth control and HRT are now free and low barrier to residents across the country as of this or last year. No question asked, implying that it also applies to trans women. Prescriptions can be used, but walk-ins in some provinces have the option to speak with a chemist and receive what they require.

Trans men are not accommodated as testosterone replacement is not on the schedule and I don't know if it ever will be due to its greater abuse.

I've never experienced any barriers to HRT, but having just experienced this I believe Canada has made life less stressful for women by making this happen.

murasaki · 15/04/2026 16:38

Canada is full on bonkers as we know. I have family there and the ridiculous situation has been very difficult for my aunt and uncle re their daughter.

Wearenotborg · 15/04/2026 16:39

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 15:58

(It seems some posters identify with the sex realist label. “Gender critical” seems less descriptive to me.)

To be clear. I don’t dispute a definition of sex as used by sex realists as being one definition of sex.

I disagree with the sex realist belief that requires the application this biological root as significant or sufficient to replace social implications of sex (and I suppose gender) in day to day cultural interaction.

There is no scientific basis for replacing the social implications of sex with conformance to biological roots. Human life has evolved beyond gametes and reproduction unlike other animals.

Again, I respect that many of you hold the belief. It is your right. But I personally disagree with the belief.

Has it? Really? So how exactly do you believe babies are made?

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:47

22ztr · 15/04/2026 10:29

No if you start regulating hormones too much you get more hoops to jump through. The cancer risks make it hard enough for women. Do we need to add psychological assements too for example? Does a dr need to confirm menopause? How can you confirm such a subjective thing?

do you see where tras would take this?

I had one doctor at a walk-in clinic prescribe a month's worth of HRT with a demand I return following a blood test to confirm I was in need of HRT before he would write a year's worth. I was in my early 40s. The tests were firmly in the menopausal range. That was the worst hoop I've had.

TriesNotToBeCynical · 15/04/2026 17:05

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 16:47

I had one doctor at a walk-in clinic prescribe a month's worth of HRT with a demand I return following a blood test to confirm I was in need of HRT before he would write a year's worth. I was in my early 40s. The tests were firmly in the menopausal range. That was the worst hoop I've had.

That's unhinged. Unless the doctor was in some way misled.

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 17:10

murasaki · 15/04/2026 15:38

Out of interest, @onepostwonder, do you think the behaviour and actions of Helen Webberley are ok? Or are you recommending more regulated physicians.

I have no thoughts on her behaviour or actions. I don't follow her enough to know. I believe she is just the someone would have stepped in anyway to provide healthcare to trans people as the NHS absconded with their responsibilities leaving a large vacuum behind and years of uncertainty and waiting lists.

Yes, absolutely I'd rather there be NHS medical care available.

onepostwonder · 15/04/2026 17:13

murasaki · 15/04/2026 16:12

No male teen should have a gynaecologist, and no ethical gynaecologist should treat them.

If it helps, my response was not referencing teens or trans people.

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