Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

It’s not my viewpoint. Wouldn’t do it justice. I’m just aware it exists and it needs researching

The analogy between pronouns and drugs has been made.

Quite.

Disingenuous bullshit.

It's starting to sound a lot like mansplaining again. Talking at us and over us and not actually listening or taking on board because they know better and soon they will be in charge before a new thinking which understands the world better blah blah blah.

Disrespectful offensive nonsense.

I believe I can fly. Splat.

In principle, doctors outside the NHS are bound by the same law and the same ethics. Drug peddlers, not so much. I am sure it is possible to buy guns, too.

It was your viewpoint just a few pages that because HRT is prescribed for mental health issues it’s just an example of “off label” prescribing that is similar to trans people getting CSH.

So your viewpoint is wrong because your comparison is wrong, because they are world’s apart. Unless you can explain your viewpoint better.

Hahaha I love it when you guys argue with me and call me a man and start saying my beliefs are dangerous because the holes you find in them belong to the system and not to me. Kind of like what the TRAs do with you hey?

peace for your lives lovelies and when something else peaks my interest I will be back with my observations 👀

*piques

If you’re going to flounce, at least do it with proper grammar.

😂

Was that a flounce? I'm completely baffled by 22ztr...

Well, that was really fucking immature!

Did you nor see there is worldwide shortage of HRT? So in your opinion, who shout get priority? Menopausal women or trans identified males? Why would the ability of men being able to access HRT impact your ability to access HRT?

I was just about to post that.

i see.

Another, I just want to have my opinion heard no matter how much it is based on flawed logic and if you challenge me, I am going to consider it hostile and unwelcoming. While praising the male poster who is actually really disrespectful in many ways, just not noticed by the poster and cannot support his arguments at all except for reference to beliefs and emotional reasoning.

it feels like a script. I wonder if it is the ‘be kind’ influence. The ‘I will treat all people’s opinions like they are all valid and accurate’ approach even when the opinion is plainly flawed.

I think @22ztrhas bought into the belief that make and female bodies are no different at the cellular level, and in how we process drugs.

He’s very wrong of course. It seems to be an ill informed belief that our bodies are just a blank canvas onto which we can pour one set of hormones or the other with no regard to the underlying female or male body. These people don’t seem to understand that male/female differences go way beyond visible sex characteristics.

Not sure what we can do about the ignorance. I don’t think we can sort it out here.

Piques my interest.

Another who wishes to detract from the study. I've read some of the "criticism" and it's the usual sort of thing you expect from TRAs - resistance to normal scientific practise and complaints that the authors dont rush to affirm so are horrible meanies and nothing they say can be trusted. If there is sensible criticism of the study perhaps someone will post it.

I read it more as a mash up of 'female hormones cause problems in men, many of which are not fully documented, therefore female hormones are dangerous, therefore they won't be allowed to prescribe them for menopausal women' along with something about trans people and destransitioners should all be included in studies on the effects of taking hormones because of their mental health...or something. I really don't know!

I think he just got himself into a hole and kept on digging then had to resort to name calling and flouncing off when he couldn't get out.

Just to point out that that poster was probably not a "he". She said "I’m going to be menopausal within the next ten or so years".

That was the basis of her argument (such as it was).

Sometimes peaks is appropriate tbh.

This has never happened to me, but I've seen of women post in FWR to say they've been approached in toilets, etc. by women concerned that the poster is in the wrong space. They are happy to report that they open their mouths and speak and all is made good in the world.

What is different if I were to turn around and speak?

But it doesn't. It shows appointments to specialist psychiatrists are made at some point after intake and specifically after the start of "gender treatment" which can be a wide variety of things these days.

The study would have to identify actual diagnoses to then claim improved or worsening mental health.

What is different if I were to turn around and speak?

What's the difference whether you speak or not, really?

The onus is - and has always been - on the individual to ensure they enter the correct space for their birth sex.
You've made it quite clear you're not going to do that and you're going to ignore women's wishes and do exactly what you want.

How many of the participants in this thread are researchers in medical treatments for gender dysphoria?

I'll start. Not me.