Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

Isn't that....your story?

Yes and let's not forget they posted the ad in a completely bizarre place to eeduce other applications and he was mates with the management prior to being gifen the job. And he was some sort of personal trainer with zero experience of anything female or period related whatsoever.

And the press photos showed him mansplaining periods to some girls.

I was assuming that you were returning to your thoughts shared in this post yesterday @ 7:26. My bad then.

Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5515170-is-there-any-concern-among-trans-rights-activists-for-the-health-wellbeing-of-adolescents-receiving-gender-affirming-drugs-that-the-findings-of-the-finnish-study-might-be-true?page=12&reply=151669455

I mean my trust in NHS doctors has diminished in recent years, not because I don’t believe they are usually well qualified and well intentioned, but they are so time poor that how can they deal with complex cases?

Having watched a middle aged woman being treated only for the symptoms with no doctor investigating why she had all these unusual symptoms because they simply don’t have time, I think it is clear that many cases of negative impacts of puberty blockers and testosterone will be / are being missed.

It's not. But I wouldn't expect a sex realist to be able to understand my life.

No. I wasn’t referring to you except in general terms of being a male person.

Mate. Despite what you might have been led to believe by others, no every fucking thing is about YOU!

Despite your continued lazy accusations of ‘straw man’ to dismiss what people are saying, maybe if you actually took the time to read and consider what people are saying you might understand.

That is a strange reply.

It is your story, apparently. I simply wondered if I had misunderstood, and was asking for clarification.

Were you allowed to volunteer at an abortion clinic, and did that volunteering include any interaction with women who might have been there in the context of having an abortion, including potentially being a clinic escort for them?

It's a simple question, it's not my 'story'.

Ahh. Yes. That is right. He was buddies with a person who had responsibility for the role.

You do tend to chop and change the facts on a minute by minute basis. Maybe try being consistent for one day and see how that goes?

At least you realise that sex is reality.

I do not want men to turn up at abortion clinics or give girls advice on periods or be involved in running a charity for endometriosis. This would be uncomfortable, patronising, and inappropriate.

Men who are pretending to be women doing these things gives, in addition, the highly unpleasant impression of trying to appropriate or fetishise women's experiences.

The obfuscating of facts has been a common tactic.

Yep.

Richards. A man who has been claiming to be female for decades but defends being a spokesperson for endometriosis.

Fae. A man who has been claiming to be female for decades gave advice to girl guiding.

Wadhwa. A man who has been claiming to be female for decades became the CEO of ERCC.

Let’s not list all the younger men in these types of roles.

Oh, I see. Okay.

Am I understanding this right?

No, you are rewriting my experience to fit a gender critical narrative.

This is a man, who wants very much to be a women even though he never can be; who wants to be seen by other people as a woman, but who cannot have any idea what it is like to be female.

I am a woman. By 'making' me a man, you are erasing my life and replacing it with 'generic trans woman.' I am not wanting to be a woman or be wanting seen as a woman. I have no idea what it is like to be anyone else but me.

This man chose - and was allowed - to be a clinic escort at an abortion clinic? Surely that can't mean he got to escort women who were there potentially to have an abortion? Surely not.

'Chose' is weird. We were trained rather than 'allowed' to escort women and shield them from picketers and assorted other religious/conservative people.

Surely.

Thank you for your reply, and for clarifying that yes, you did physically escort women who were visiting the clinic in the context of possibly having an abortion.

'Chose' isn't weird, btw. Presumably you weren't compelled to fulfil this role but did it out of your own free will, chosen from all the other things you could have been doing with your time.

In the context of surrounding posts, 'chose' is wrapped up in a lascivious tone.

You see what you want to see.

'Chose' is perfectly accurate. You weren't compelled to take this role
Therefore you chose do it, as opposed to not doing it. It's not difficult to understand.

You decided of your own free will did you not? You 'chose' to do this? It wasn't forced upon you by a court or something of that nature?

I agree with you. None of what you are speaking about, in relation to this completely random hypothetical trans person, will make a male person female.

We can’t understand the literal framing of believing you have changed sex (or possibly you believe you were always female?) It’s not clear.

The core problem which can’t be bridged is that you seem to believe that someone’s sex is defined by how they feel. Or possibly by how they identify. But it is via some interior knowledge.

Most women here believe that a person’s sex is a physical thing, much as it is defined without much difficulty across the whole animal and plant kingdoms. We don’t see why the definition of human sex should work in a different way to all other life forms.

I don’t doubt that you had/have strong feelings about not being male/really being female and it is completely understandable that you would therefore want/need to define sex as a mental rather than physical state of being to reduce your own distress. So don’t assume no-one is capable of comprehending this.

But most people will not agree that sex is a matter of someone’s belief about themselves.

so, could you please remind us what makes you female?

Oh. good. You realised that the post was not specifically about you and was about some of the reasons we have been given by other male people on this board over the years.

Please do not take it upon yourself to decide how I am using language, or police my tone. It was accurate vocabulary. Please do not read into my words things that are not there.

Perhaps you should consider why you jumped to that conclusion, why you replied with the particular adjective you used, and why a word affected you in that way.

It’s fascinating, now we have a new concept to understand, that transitioning isn’t a “choice”, presumably it’s some sort of primal urge, an evolutionary step, a metamorphosis that nature compels to happen, written in the genes like a caterpillar becoming a butterfly!

But not in the ones that onepostwonder think shouldn’t be transitioning, they are making the wrong “choice” apparently.

Like a butterfly hatched!

Hmmm....