Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

I must have imagined a scene you created in your mind where I must have been wearing either a horribly fluorescent nylon floral dress or a three piece banker's suit, chewing on a cigar while stroking a beard... Maybe a gin was involved. Who knows. Any vision of me strolling through the world as a male or man is fucking hilarious.

1. It happened in the US
2. It happened many years ago
3. There were no women on the committee until a year after I was 'asked.'
4. I was the second woman to join after chair #2 had been replaced
5. when I was chair, we recruited equal numbers of men and women were represented, not including myself as chair.
6. To answer an earlier good faith question, I'm sure: No, there were no non-binary people but the DEI policies when I had served my term would say they could occupy a 'spot' of either gender.

Your beliefs do not rewrite history. They have no affect on my life or impact the world around me. They are yours to celebrate and enjoy, however.

Yep. The clinic had to ask him to stop, in the end.

Other people would be far less charitable in their assessment and just call a man who pretends he's a woman doing this, fetishising women's health issues for his own pleasure.

Yes, you have a vivid imagination.

We have seen enough male people in ‘women’s officer’ and other political roles that should be filled by female people when they are there because they claim to be ‘female’ to fully understand what happens to female representation.

It is how we get men telling women that as bigots they should reframe their trauma to accept a male person telling them they are female giving rape crisis care.

I think we are to expected to believe that WPATH is a great advisor for female health standards and we should just trust the professions who have used their SoC suggestions as being the highest standard of health care.

Yes. I rarely write down my full thoughts.

I know there's an element of self censorship going on for good reason.

But in this case I think think it needs spelling out.

Yet you yourself said there are kids getting hormone treatments who shouldn’t. You are in direct contradiction to all the PATHs who say a child’s declared identity should be taken as true and affirmed.

You can’t even keep up with yourself.

So, still no then?

I was a clinic escort, along with four friends who joined up at the same time. Not unusual at all.

I think you just admitted to having main character syndrome and took a general post to be solely about you. Maybe you should actually read the post you referred to as a straw man.

But do keep on going because it actually illustrates the point nicely that I was making.

Perhaps this is a US context.

He can not post without doing it can he?

Me, me, me, me.

I, I, I, I.

The whole point we are trying to make is it's not about him, we don't give a shit about his perfect experience of transition and how womanly he thinks he is.

The people we are interested in are the ones being mislead by this crap, the ones being hidden by this crap and the ones harmed by this crap.

That's the children unable to consent and who may become collateral damage, those who make decisions on misinformation and then end up shocked by the harm done, the women who have their experiences erased or doomed to irrelevance and told to shut up about important biological experiences.

Instead we get treated to yet another 'but this is what I did last summer'.

Male people volunteering for working in an abortion clinic not unusual?

I am sure there are periphery roles that male people can do for abortion clinics that don’t require a male to be inside one working. Unless you are a doctor and there was no female doctors available.

Women who have gone through abortion are often in a difficult and vulnerable place.

Can I just say, generally, that absolute last thing I would want to happen is for some man pretensing to be a woman to show up and hang around for whatever reasons he had. Women just want men to leave them alone and not use them for political, or personal validation, ffs.

Pretty much.

It is staggering the dismissive nature of discussion about female people’s hearth.. while demonising the people raising the issues.

I really don’t think these men understand the actual nature of what they breezily suggest.

Oh.. those girls can just have their eggs harvested. No biggy. The clinicians wouldn’t recommend it if it wasn’t safe and reliable.

On what fucking planet is it considered good health treatment to put a physically healthy teenaged girl into a hyperfertilised state, then feed the same girl puberty blockers to slam her body into artificial menopause.

And all for identity purposes.

Am I understanding this right?

This is a man, who wants very much to be a women even though he never can be; who wants to be seen by other people as a woman, but who cannot have any idea what it is like to be female.

This man chose - and was allowed - to be a clinic escort at an abortion clinic? Surely that can't mean he got to escort women who were there potentially to have an abortion? Surely not.

The last thing I would want was any man around me in an abortion clinic. Unless it was a male doctor and no female doctor was available.

How many of these men have saviour complexes as well?

Perhaps you should read the earlier post you made one level higher, earlier in our exchange.

Here it is:

And the last couple of pages have also highlighted the reason why male people should fucking not be in positions on any panel, committee and board and that placement considered ‘female’.

For all their insistence they are female and have been for decades, they don’t understand the issues that female people face. Yet they are very fucking happy to talk over the top of female people to focus the discussion on female issues back on male issues.

It is nothing to celebrate for female people having male people take a place on a board / panel / committee and categorise it as being a female place. It is the very opposite of female representation.

Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5515170-is-there-any-concern-among-trans-rights-activists-for-the-health-wellbeing-of-adolescents-receiving-gender-affirming-drugs-that-the-findings-of-the-finnish-study-might-be-true?page=16&reply=151689047

I'd want and expect only HCPs to be anywhere near an abortion clinic, tbh.

Up until a few years ago that was certainly the case, until some oddbod nutters started turning up in Glasgow.

Thankfully there is now legislation in place to keep them away.

There was also a brief fashion for some men to start agitating for free period products. That Madigan bloke did it, before he was accused of various abusive acts and vanished from sight.

Women are not validation tools. Our bodies and expediences are ours. They are not available for borrowing.

That's your story and you're going to stick with it.

Did you read what I wrote?

Did you notice it wasn’t in reply to you? That just because it followed a post replying to you, I, as a woman can have general thoughts that I would like to express.

Did it mention you?

Did you notice it was a rather broad and general post?

Do you understand that men taking representational roles that should be for female people is a common topic on this board and is common?

But thanks for highlighting my post on why no male person should be in a role that should be a representational role meant to be for female people.

I remember the dude in Scotland who was given a role as some
kind of period ambassador. That appointment should never have been made.