Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

”National medical associations, national psychiatric bodies, nursing organizations”

Who all outsourced their decision making and used WPATH to guide their decisions and policies? Yes. We know. And that is again the point we are making

WPATH? And how much attention had that male dominated political group paid to the negative impacts on female children? Effectively Zilch.

It wasn't. But if it makes you feel better, then who am I to argue.

Still doesn’t counter the negative impacts of testosterone as you dismissively claim.

Maybe instead of fucking telling women that we are hateful for being concerned what is happening to female children, including the female children in our daily lives, you should actually do some research.

Stands and gives a round of applause to Hellofabore.

Females who transition have a uniquely different experience to males who transition. There is a known issue with medicine which treats the male body as default human and makes the assumption that female bodies will respond the same.

What has been realised in many many areas is that drugs and surgery and presentation of symptoms all are different in female bodies.

When we talk about something centred on the reproductive system or the urinary system this is even more true because our plumbing is very different.

Yet onepost has the fucking audacity to come to the feminist board and talk about CHILDREN transitioning, some at a very early age - from age 3 in some cases, as if he's an authority on the subject. This man transitioned later. This is a man who transitioned.

One of my beefs with the BBC and other media has been this constant thing in having middle aged men being the talking heads for women and women's issues. The rent a quote crowd are almost exclusively male. And here's another. He knows all about the subject of teenage females and female detransitioners suffering life changing complications in their 20s and 30s or after pregnancy cos he's - checks notes - male over 50.

It's the worst ever example of mansplaining. It's offensive. And it's monumentally ignore.

And the only response will be yet more venting of the entire goddamn universe around himself with endless posts about me and I.

This stuff really matters and the lack of ability to think about it from any other perspective but your own is actively harming people. It's deliberate. It's calculated and it's aimed to silence us all.

It's vile. It's dangerous.

And yeah we should be highlighting exactly why these type of posts are not ok because of the effect - it's not merely about these posts here - it's because they are reflective of the entire conversation and social bubble surrounding these kids. It's what they are hearing without all our voices going - this is fundamentally dangerous and misleading. These are vulnerable kids and young adults who need to hear the possible issues with females transitioning to be able to make an informed decision.

People like onepost make it an environment where that is impossible with the sheer amount of misinformation and dangerous crap.

Once again Hellofabore your posts lay this bare.

I am starting to believe there is a lot of hate, yes. But not from 'women.'

So many straw men.

You are doing to me in this post everything that you accuse trans women do to women.

It's like a man having had prostate cancer treatment saying cheese is safe and fine to eat to a woman who has had breast cancer which is classified as being oestrogen sensitive and has been advised not to eat it.

That's how bad some of this "but I've had her (sic) for forty years and I'm fine" nonsense is.

The point I have been making for the past few pages has been specifically the negative impacts of puberty blockers and testosterone on female children.

Including the dismissive suggestions that we should put teenaged girls into a state of hyper fertilisation (with high stroke risk) and then straight into an early menopause like state based on an identity that is not reflective of material reality.

And the point is that female people’s health needs have been ignored and dismissed because it is inconvenient for them to be acknowledged by the very group of people who declare that they support them.

Got an incontinence issue? Yeah? Just apply some estrogen and you are done.

I have nothing to say in response because you're just riffing on yourself now.

You already had categorised women on this board as hateful. You have told us in so many ways since you arrived.

Isn’t that what your purpose was in posting?

That's the best you've got isn't it? Because you know we are right.

And you will go away and think about it and then come back later with a 'clever' explanation of why we are wrong and you know best.

You don't.

You are male.

Not only that , but a male has repeatedly shown he doesn't give a shit about women as long as he gets what he wants and he gets the fawning and applause for being a woman - the council stuff was bad enough given the reasons why women don't stand for election...

I am one square away from bingo.

Council stuff? I have no bleeding idea what the hell you are talking about.

There is no reality here.

Eh?!

With respect, you think taking pills can change your sex.

I actually don't. If so, everyone would be doing it.

You have claimed on this thread that you are female?

Yes, it wasn't anything to do with pills or any other form of drug delivery.

So wtf was it?

Apologies, personal.question. But a claim of changing sex is quite startling and means people will struggle to understand on what basis you make assertions.

I believe I've answered that question already. If I add anything here the pedantry parade will fill up the next 5 pages.

Really?

I was making a general point, but please do tell me what straw man I have built?

Do male people who have been counted as being ‘female’ on any board, panel or committee give even adequate representation for female people in that position they have been counted as female for? I mean, there was a whole fucking court case about it that FWS took to court.

Would you like to let me know what straw man I built and polished? How is it not a relevant point when discussing female health care needs being dismissed by male people?

Because changing sex is categorically, completely impossible.

Poor you.

Poor poor you.

Won't all us meanies stop 'picking' on you?

Mate for the 900th time.

It's not all about you. Women have different issues that you are willfully and deliberately blind to because 'they don't fit with your lived experience of being a woman therefore they must be invalid because being a woman is all about costume and appearance and all the internal stuff is irrelevant'.

No mate it very much IS relevant.

Everytime you suggest differently you are a misogynist. You are acting so male you are blind to it.

Taking pills, having surgeries, having feelings… none of it makes a male person female.

Being treated like a female by others… none of that makes a male person female.

Having a sluggish puberty and the supplementing hormones in quantities found in the opposite sex… none of it makes a male person female.

I expect 'no uterus, no opinion' is relevant here.

You also never answered in what capacity you were volunteering in an abortion clinic, onepost. Its an unusual thing to have done.

Remember that young male with political aspirations in Scotland taking up abortion activism because he was a woman and it was a woman’s issue?

I suspect there is some aspect of this complete self centredness in many a male activist’s decision when they identify as female and want the world to believe they are female.