Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

Yes, it's a power trip which men in particular enjoy.

I am not a trans man. I don't speak on their behalf. I don't know why gender critical women feel empowered to use the experience of some trans men as a cudgel against all treatment.

Many trans men also have hysterectomies and other surgeries because they simply do not wish to possess their reproductive systems. Many trans men use topical oestrogen and practice pelvic therapies.

It's all very picketing the local abortion clinic to scare patients away.

What clinic? Like the on on “one flew over the cuckoos nest? Why did your parents put you in a clinic? Slightly harsh I think. Especially such a genius who can read those books at 6! Maybe they were jealous of your genius.

Do you genuinely expect a response to this?

Nooo. You said you weren’t a trans person and now you’re saying you are one. Which is it? Are you schroedingers transperson?

It's all very picketing the local abortion clinic to scare patients away.

This disgusting, misogynistic comment doesn't surprise me one bit. Not one.

Yes. I want to know. Did your childhood trauma at being put in a clinic affect your desire to transition?

As a past clinic volunteer, I stand 100% behind what I said.

Yes, I'm sure you do.

As I said: disgusting and misogynistic.

Imagine not understanding why female people, particularly those who are mothers, especially those who are mothers of teens and young adults, are concerned about the health of female people.

Yep.

Male traits, aren't they.

So you were locked in the clinic then you became a volunteer? At 11? Are you some kind of super genius? So this clinic used child Labour? Wow! It does explain a lot. I hope you got help when you got out. How is your relationship with your parents? Have you forgiven them for locking you in a clinic?

I wonder sometimes if there are just some women on FWR who use the opportunity to create straw men and pump each other up.

The thing is, that poster doesn't even understand why the comment is disgusting and misogynistic.

I blame the fact he was locked in a clinic from 6-11 by his evil parents then forced to do child Labour in that very clinic before affecting a daring escape and becoming the person he is today. Also magically going through female puberty although he was male, and transitioning so perfectly no one knows he is trans. Did I miss anything @onepostwonder ?

You volunteered in an abortion clinic? In what capacity?

Sigh.

Child psychiatric clinic in a hospital
Abortion clinic near a hospital.

You don't really care about answers to the rest, you'll make up and discuss your own story.

Onepost, I am sorry for what sounds like a very difficult childhood.

Sigh. I asked you what type of clinic. And Still bad of your parents to lock you in a clinic with a very dodgy library of very adult books. At 6 no less.

I see.

Do you actually understand what testosterone does to a female body or have you read a little and never really bothered to understand this?

A little bit like puberty blockers and female people. I have a friend who took the same drugs for another purpose 20 years ago. She doesn't expect to reach 60 in a couple of years and for the past five has lost most of her teeth, walks with difficulty with a stick because she of not just osteoporosis but more ligament damage, she has pancratitis and diabetes, plus cannot even weed her garden without breaking her bones. These are the same symptoms that the women who were given those drugs for precocious puberty have. But apparently, if female people don't show any issues straight after stopping thesed drugs ... there is nothing to report and no need to worry. Forget the fucking fact that it took 20 years for her symptoms to manifest.

But sure, equate women trying to raise the awareness of what testosterone does to a female body with people trying to prevent abortions.

The misogyny of that comparison you made probably goes straight over your head.

Meanwhile, again discussion about female health issues are being silenced with shame so some men feel good about their own choices.

You can go to any number of YouTube channels and find trans people advocating for access to cross-sex hormones and surgeries and making claims that those treatments are low risk or harmless, and then find that in their own histories that they have in fact individually experienced severe health impacts from their own gender medicine treatments AND even acknowledge that those symptoms were directly caused by the treatments.

It's one of the reasons why it's imperative not to give too much weight to individual testimonials, there are high incentives (sunk costs) and a propensity to elide the harms that it caused the individual in question. This is a general principle in medicine, but it especially applies to the trans debate.

Smear with a completely unrelated issue in order to create a false equivalency with the reproduction debate in the US.

This is not the US. This is ignorant and offensive to Brits.

Oh give over.

You are making a false comparison. Paracetamol is safe when taken correctly. Millions of people take it every day without incident.

You’re not a stupid person, trying to argue in favour of the safety of high doses of exogenous cross sex hormones by comparing this with taking paracetamol is piss poor reasoning.

I have no respect for this level of nonsense.

And so many of the detransitioners point out that they were poorly informed about the negative side effects.

Plus many people who have not detransitioned. Look at Freddie. Admitting to the world that she was not informed that she would not be able to breast feed after a double mastectomy and she was a twenty something university student at the time of her surgery.

Then you heard of the horrendous experience of detransitioners who have got pregnant and had their babies only to discover that they are producing milk in remaining milk ducts that is trapped internally with no where for that milk to go and they are in agony while recovering from their difficult labour that has been made harder from their testosterone treatment. After one woman has mentioned it, then come the other women saying it has happened to them too.

But apparently, raising the alarm that there are issues not being discussed (indeed some female people have pointed out just how much pressure they are under to never speak of it) is building straw men and akin to protesting abortion services. Don't forget as women who have female transitioners in our daily lives we also apparently don't know what the fuck we are talking about. And those male people telling us we don't know and are just like those who protest abortion clinics apparently DO know all about the impacts on female bodies because they fucking have female bodies too.

My posts have been very clearly pointing out the issues that female people face and that have been ignored and dismissed in the determination of adult male people who actively dismiss those female people's issues because they either don't know about the issues or find it inconvenient to their political cause so dismiss those issues. Like many of us pointed out just how dismissal your posts were regarding female people having their eggs harvested when they are children - all because of the decision as children to have extreme body modification to make their bodies fit their identity that is subjective and not reflective of material reality.

I think you will find that I and other female people have been focused on FEMALE PEOPLE particularly since we are on a feminist board.