Is there ANY concern among Trans Rights Activists for the health wellbeing of adolescents receiving gender affirming drugs that the findings of the Finnish study might be true

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You would expect Trans Rights Activists to be concerned about the physical mental health of gender questioning children, yet I haven't seen a single TRA express the slightest concern that gender affirming care might be causing harm to young kids, who they see as transgender. Not here, not on r/transgenderuk, not on x.
They are attacking the credibility of the study, but given its size and the very shocking findings, why aren't at least some of them expressing a little concern that there might be something in it? I mean, these are vulnerable kids, and they're taking really powerful drugs with major long-term consequences, and now it looks like there's evidence that it may be doing the opposite of what it's supposed to...
How could you not be concerned, whatever your agenda? They're kids!
Aren't trans rights activists interested in the right of trans kids to be safe and healthy?
Am I missing something?

One of the YouTube videos of a gender surgeon, Blaire Peters with the purple hair, openly talks about, with zero insight, how in the post operative period the 18 year old males struggle psychologically with nurses giving wound care because they abhor the idea of their genitals being touched.

No mention of the important brain development that only happens with puberty either.

People die from Paracetamol. Many others land on transplant lists.

Your beliefs about trans people and hormones are inaccurate and harmful. There are 10,000s of trans people who began hormones as teens and adolescents living long healthy lives. I am one, following more than 40 years of HRT use.

The two are not proportionally comparable.

A small fraction of people have a permanent adverse reaction to paracetamol. Hence it is available in supermarkets and unmonitored.

It is absurd to draw this comparison with hormones being taken in quantities for the opposite sex for the only desired effect of extreme body modification to fit a personal identity that is not based on material reality. It is also remarkable to see this kind of misinformation posted in defence of these hormones when again female people's health is being negatively impacted at a very high rate from testosterone.

But that continues to be inconvenient to male people who wish to justify the continuation of these extreme body modifications.

I was in the clinic until 11.

I have no clue what you are talking about. I have always felt that things should have been easier for people like me by now. Clearly they aren't. I don't understand what drives the motivation to transition for a majority of trans people. I'm not going to call them less valid. Do I believe some lives would likely be better if they didn't transition, 100%. I'm not going to stop them though. And as far as sex realism goes, they are as trans as I am.

I used the word "real" because I saw it used earlier in the thread.

I have no idea what a "tru trans" is. Or whatever a "truscum" is.

Incidence of Serious Side Effects (of paracetamol)
The likelihood of severe complications at therapeutic doses (up to 4g per day for adults) is generally very low, though recent research highlights some quantifiable risks:

• Acute Liver Failure: The risk of liver failure at standard doses is estimated to be approximately one in a million.
• Serious Skin Reactions: Reactions like Stevens-Johnson syndrome are classified as rare (less than 0.1%).
• Allergic Reactions: Anaphylaxis is considered rare or very rare.
• Short-term Hepatotoxicity: One study of hospital patients found that about 3% developed liver enzyme elevations while taking 4g or less daily, though none progressed to actual liver failure.
• HSE website +4

Compared to : Early Intervention: If a child starts blockers at the very beginning of puberty (Tanner stage 2) and moves directly to cross-sex hormones, they never develop mature sperm or eggs. In this specific scenario, the risk of permanent infertility is high (approaching 100%) without a treatment pause.

Bone Mineral Density (BMD)
Bone health is the most actively monitored serious risk because puberty is the primary "window" for building bone mass.
Commonality of Low BMD: In studies of transgender youth starting blockers, 13% to 30% already have bone density scores classified as "low for age" (Z-score below -2.0).

You are being ridiculous

Things should be easier for people like me too - lesbian, disabled, woman - and they're not.

All three have been made significantly harder by transactivism.

So you ARE a trans person now?

I can't keep up...

There was no separation between the two cohorts. There were no age based cohorts, which was admitted in the limitations. (why not, they had the data?)

Social experience, pressure and ability to respond is going to differ based on age and development. Physical response to HRT will also be extremely varied in the presented age range. Not having to deal with a deep resonant voice, facial masculinisation, a beard or hairy body was a huge win in my experience.

I agree.

I agree.

I have thoughts on what you have shared. I agree with some points and disagree with others. I've shared that I believe why most post-treatment people are lost to followup. I have been a data point in many studies. I've been lost to followup, probably impacting numerous long-term protocols.

I know what happens when treatment isn't available for someone who desires treatment. I know many people aren't satisfied with their treatment or outcomes. I know a handful of people who stopped treatment because they decided something else (family, children, god, any job they could find, they ID as non-binary and are happy where they're now at) was more important to them than to continue transition.

I imagine there are detranstioners who deny any identification as 'past trans' and feel like they were swept up and forcibly transed against their will (going by some narratives?). This would border on abuse and circumstances should probably be reviewed by law enforcement and ethics committees.

It seems childhood and adolescent care was eventually applied to gender incongruity or confusion rather than the old fashioned 'complete psychosexual inversion' that was required. Incongruity wasn't 'enough' to trigger treatment in the 1980s. Clinicians should probably not be trying to treat incongruity.

I swear FWR is like being surrounded by four year olds.

Many trans men have found they remain able to support pregnancy well into their medical treatment. So pre-treatment preservation is less of an issue than with trans women who never develop or destroy their capacity to produce sperm at some point after intiating HRT. I said it could be offered, I wasn't demanding, in my critically important role as random internet person, everyone experience the treatment.

Riiiight... four year olds who can read what you wrote two days ago on this thread:

onepostwonder · 11/04/2026 00:00
I don't identify as trans, but your belief is your belief.

And I don't. One last time:

I received healthcare developed for trans people during transition.

As a recipient of this healthcare, I have previously experienced transition as a trans person. I have had other medical procedures and I don't identify as those procedures.

I am very aware of how difficult and invasive egg harvesting/retrieval is. I've had a couple friends go through the process. One 'illegally' through the US IVF drug grey market.

I don't know what options are provided to trans youth during their treatment today. Perhaps I should just have said trans youth deserve to have all options open to them?

"There are 10,000s of trans people who began hormones as teens and adolescents living long healthy lives. I am one"

You really do need to consider how you use language when speaking to others.
Clear language is important.
If multiple people on a thread are misunderstanding you, then there is a common denominator.
But I suppose that's just my belief.

It is your belief.

“Perhaps I should just have said trans youth deserve to have all options open to them?”

And again this comes across as breezily dismissive of the issues with female people regarding fertility. It is in the same vein as ‘they can just undergo egg harvesting’.

It also continued to dismiss the assymetry of the impact of taking hormones in quantities replicating the opposite sex between male and female people. The impacts of testosterone on the female body is well documented thanks to a sports and now detransitioners.

#letthemspeak

And many trans men have had to have hysterectomies early in life thanks to ovary torsion and atrophy of other parts of the reproductive system.

And the earlier the hysterectomy, the greater the chance of significant early health issues. Currently there are discussions about early onset dementia. Let’s not forget just how many are incontinent and with bladder and kidney damage within a short period of starting testosterone.

Or the fact that 4-5 years after ceasing testosterone supplements, women still report male levels of testosterone so the damage just continues.

The list is long. But apparently easily dismissed and instead we can focus on the minute numbers of people with adverse effects of paracetamol as a distraction.

I have no idea what your angle is but is there the slightest chance you can at least stick to one?

One of the key features of trans activism seems to be changing the goalposts of identity when it suits purposes...

...it's a power trip.