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Finnish study on transition and psychiatric outcomes in sex and gender shows increased psychiatric morbidity

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anyolddinosaur · 07/04/2026 10:11

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/apa.70533 Finnish study shows transition did not help psychiatric morbidity. It got worse.

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Brainworm · 07/04/2026 13:34

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/04/2026 13:01

I don’t think a blanket veto on people with psychiatric conditions accessing gender reassignment treatment/surgery would stand up to legal challenge.

It stands up legally if having a particular psychiatric condition means that the treatment will make their condition worse. There are other treatments that are contra-indicated for certain psychiatric conditions - e.g. talk therapy is contra-indicated for some conditions (because it is harmful to the people who have them) and it's legal to refuse. Why would gender reassignment be different?

I have been party to many discussions where anxiety had been expressed about the potential ‘oppression’ of autistic people through denying them gender affirming treatment on the basis of being autistic. For many, it’s seen as a right!

Are those discussions with people who understand the law? People can think it's a "right" but that doesn't mean it legally is a right. People may believe they are being "oppressed" but self-decided "oppression" has nothing to do with the law or even whether they really are being oppressed. People in this country don't have a right to demand that doctors knowingly harm them. Refusal to harm someone is not oppression.

It comes from the disability rights movement where, for example, young people with intellectual disability didn’t access speech and language therapy because of their intellectual disability. Today, autistic patients can’t access a range of treatments because the services say there isn’t an evidence base to suggest they will benefit from it, or they don’t know how to adapt it.

For those who think puberty blockers, exogenous hormones and surgery is a good thing, they are unlikely to accept that they are not being discriminated against if they are denied ‘treatment’ because of their protected characteristic.

ProudAmberTurtle · 07/04/2026 13:38

AidaP · 07/04/2026 12:50

It's notably not printed in any notable scientific journals because it's junk science, have a read:

Fact Check: New Finnish "Study" Does Not Prove "Trans Youth Care Leads To Worse Outcomes"

With all due respect, a fact check from Erin Reed, who doesn't understand that you need control groups when you run comparison studies like this, only gives the study extra gravitas

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 13:42

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10875569/

This one from the same researchers was in the BMJ a couple of years ago - it found that when you controlled for psychiatric morbidity, there was no increase in suicide risk for adolescents diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

ie. roundly quashing 'better a trans child than a dead child' emotional blackmail.

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https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10875569/

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/04/2026 13:44

It's published in Acta Paediatrica, a peer reviewed medical journal of good standing and a middling impact factor.

I recognise Dr Kaltialia's name. Her clinic (the main or possibly only gender clinic in Finland) started out doing gender affirming care, then realised the outcomes weren't good and stopped. She's a pragmatist not an ideologue. The study looks pretty solid to me. Finland keeps very good data.

I wouldn't expect to see it on the BBC. It's not a UK or US study and the implications will take time to filter through.

OverTheWater28 · 07/04/2026 13:46

AidaP · 07/04/2026 12:50

It's notably not printed in any notable scientific journals because it's junk science, have a read:

Fact Check: New Finnish "Study" Does Not Prove "Trans Youth Care Leads To Worse Outcomes"

Aren’t you the bloke that wants to assault women with a “splintery rolling pin”? And the link you posted refutes absolutely zero of the studies claims.

ArabellaScott · 07/04/2026 13:58

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 13:42

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10875569/

This one from the same researchers was in the BMJ a couple of years ago - it found that when you controlled for psychiatric morbidity, there was no increase in suicide risk for adolescents diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

ie. roundly quashing 'better a trans child than a dead child' emotional blackmail.

Thank fuck for that.

ThatBlackCat · 07/04/2026 14:02

AidaP · 07/04/2026 12:50

It's notably not printed in any notable scientific journals because it's junk science, have a read:

Fact Check: New Finnish "Study" Does Not Prove "Trans Youth Care Leads To Worse Outcomes"

Erininthemorning? BWHAHAHAHA FMD! That's the idiot who reckoned they 'debunked' Cass Review AND the WPATH Files and got basic facts from them both wrong. Anyone that believes ANYTHING he says has less common sense than a 3 year old.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 07/04/2026 14:13

@brainworm Yes I know where it comes from. Unfortunately the "disability right" model has gone a bit mad, I don't know if that's autistic logic or just activist logic. We know that speech therapy is good for people including with people with autism and learning disabilities and so it's reasonable to argue that people with autism and learning disabilities should not be denied that therapy. But we are starting to realise that "gender-affirming care" is bad for people including people with many mental-health conditions and autism who also seem to be especially prone to wanting it. So how is it reasonable to say they should have it regardless?

And I know they're unlikely to accept it. So? What they do or do not accept doesn't have any legal force because that's not how the Equality Act works. Having a "protected characteristic" doesn't mean you automatically get what you want, and especially not it if what you want is bad for you because of that protected characteristic.

The "disabilty rights" model of autism contains some nonsense and needs to be applied selectively to things that are actually beneficial for people with the protected characteristic, not harmful. Even if they refuse to believe in the harm.

(edited because I forgot to quote brainworm)

FireHorse2026 · 07/04/2026 14:17

AidaP · 07/04/2026 13:34

It does explain exactly that.

And why generally science goes into journals that peer review them, to catch "mistakes" like that. But as they could not get into any of the papers that would do so, it's published in something which does not require peer reviews, just posted without question.

Peer review is not some super high bar, it's science 101. Science standard, do you remember that thing, where 96% of trans supportive studies were rejected for supposedly not meeting that super high bar set in Cass review?

This does not even close first of dozen plus hurdles. But suddenly as it fits your narrative, that doesn't matter anymore. Neither did other anti-trans studies used in Cass, but that's another story.

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Why are you so focussed on the journal it's published in rather than the substance of the research? I think a lot of GC women will rightly be very sceptical of the argument "they're not being heard in mainstream news therefore they're obviously wrong". #nodebate silenced our viewpoints for a long time and kept the things we said on the fringes, it didn't mean we were wrong though.

ThatBlackCat · 07/04/2026 14:20

A great post on X: "What the Finnish data on gender affirmative care shows and why it matters

The Kaltiala study onlinelibrary.wiley.com/share/Q28XIYN99EKZWCV7FXHS?target=10.1111/apa.70533published in Acta Paediatrica this month is among the most methodologically serious pieces of research to emerge from the paediatric gender medicine debate. It draws on Finland's comprehensive national health registers, a resource that allows conclusions of unusual confidence in a field where small samples and lost follow up have plagued the evidence base.

The study followed 2,083 young people referred to gender identity services in Finland between 1996 and 2019, comparing them against 16,643 matched controls. Psychiatric morbidity in the gender-referred group ran at 45.7% before referral, against 15% in matched controls. That baseline disparity alone raises serious questions about whether gender distress in this population is the primary clinical presentation or a secondary feature of more pervasive psychological difficulty.

The more significant finding concerns what happened after referral and treatment. Two or more years after referral, psychiatric morbidity had risen to 61.7% in the gender-referred group, while remaining at 14.6% in controls. The gap between the two groups did not narrow following clinical intervention. It widened. This is not a treatment signal. It is the absence of one.

The study authors concluded that for some adolescents, gender dysphoria may be an outgrowth of deeper psychological problems, and that adoption of a transgender identity may amount to a maladaptive coping mechanism. This conclusion, offered carefully and in measured clinical language, represents a significant departure from the assumptions underpinning the affirmative model. It is also precisely the kind of clinical observation that has been systematically marginalised in professional debate for the better part of a decade.

The same research group's earlier mortality study established that the main predictor of mortality in this population is psychiatric morbidity, and that medical gender reassignment does not have an impact on suicide risk. This finding deserves particular attention because the claim that affirmation is lifesaving has functioned as the primary argument for overriding clinical caution, parental concern, and the ordinary safeguarding standards that paediatric medicine applies in every other context. The Finnish data does not support that claim.

Viewed through the lens of child development, the picture that emerges is coherent and troubling. Bowlby, Ainsworth, and Fonagy established that presentations combining bodily alienation, identity disturbance, and severe mood and anxiety disorder are characteristic of disorganised attachment and mentalisation failure. These are fundamentally relational difficulties requiring relational clinical responses. A pathway that addresses such presentations as evidence of a gender identity requiring affirmation and medical intervention is not engaging with the clinical reality. It is bypassing it.

Winnicott's account of the False Self is also relevant here. An identity formed and consolidated under conditions of psychological distress and institutional reinforcement feels entirely authentic to the person living it. That felt authenticity is not evidence that the identity is the appropriate clinical focus. Medicalising the presentation before the underlying distress has been adequately assessed and treated forecloses the exploratory space that genuine recovery requires.

Over the study period, patients presented in increasing numbers and at younger ages, with severe mood disorders and anxiety disorders the most common psychiatric diagnoses in the gender-referred group. This demographic pattern is consistent with Bronfenbrenner's ecological framework, which predicts rapid increases in presentation when a new identity framework is adopted simultaneously across multiple system levels. It is not consistent with the explanation that a previously hidden population is simply accessing care that was always appropriate for them.

What the Finnish data describes, read carefully and without the interpretive framework of the affirmative model, is a population of psychologically distressed young people, predominantly adolescent girls, who entered gender identity services already significantly unwell and who remained significantly more unwell than their peers after intervention. The clinical and ethical implications of that finding have not yet been adequately reckoned with by the institutions and professional bodies that promoted and implemented the affirmative pathway. They need to be."

https://x.com/prof_curiosity1/status/2041386260116144207

Read some Piaget please! (@prof_curiosity1) on X

What the Finnish data on gender affirmative care shows and why it matters The Kaltiala study https://t.co/eCaECmJiWs in Acta Paediatrica this month is among the most methodologically serious pieces of research to emerge from the paediatric gender medi...

https://x.com/prof_curiosity1/status/2041386260116144207

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:20

FireHorse2026 · 07/04/2026 14:17

Why are you so focussed on the journal it's published in rather than the substance of the research? I think a lot of GC women will rightly be very sceptical of the argument "they're not being heard in mainstream news therefore they're obviously wrong". #nodebate silenced our viewpoints for a long time and kept the things we said on the fringes, it didn't mean we were wrong though.

Science doesn't care. You either pass the publishing requirements for a publication or you do not.

Most of the hurdles are getting to the point of publishing, funding and so on. Once you are there with your read research, it's all down to who will have you. And here it's only some non-peer reviewing journal that accepted it, and for good reasons as the methods used are shaky, claims massive, and it doesn't stack up.

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 14:23

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:20

Science doesn't care. You either pass the publishing requirements for a publication or you do not.

Most of the hurdles are getting to the point of publishing, funding and so on. Once you are there with your read research, it's all down to who will have you. And here it's only some non-peer reviewing journal that accepted it, and for good reasons as the methods used are shaky, claims massive, and it doesn't stack up.

It is a peer reviewed peguatric journal with a good reputation.

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:28

the reason Aida and TRA dispute the scientifically sound Cass review and other sound, science and fact based written and researched by professors, paediatricians. doctors and scientist, studies like it is because they, more than just about any other source, show how flawed and damaging/dangerous gender identity ideology is.
They can see the ship is sinking but they’re clambering to the sides until it falls completely beneath the indefatigable waves. It’s embarrassing when they link to conspiracy theory websites as proof that Cass is wrong.

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:33

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 14:23

It is a peer reviewed peguatric journal with a good reputation.

It's at best a middling journal and there are no peer review markings on the paper.

Size of the claim must match size and quality of the proof, and this is second study they performed with this finding, and another with debatable science and published in as debatable place.

If there is some actual science pointing on transgender people problems, I'd love it. I read it all. But mostly it's just people building up backwards from conclusions and skipping even basics like peer review, notably which is what Cass review did.

Seriously, cass review is NOT peer reviewed. It couldn't even cross that threshold. Let that sink in.

And the peer reviewing of it after publication is scathing.

Igneococcus · 07/04/2026 14:35

But mostly it's just people building up backwards from conclusions

Because that is entirely not what the TRAs do?

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 14:36

Dear lord - you know we can both google and read right?

Acta Paediatrica is a reputable, peer-reviewed international journal for clinical and experimental pediatric research with a 2024 Impact Factor of 2.1. With a history dating back to 1921, it is considered a solid, recognized journal in the field, often ranked alongside publications like European Journal of Pediatrics or Archives of Disease in Childhood.

  • Metrics: A 2.1 impact factor is solid for a general pediatrics journal. It indicates consistent citation and academic relevance (4.8 CiteScore).
  • Acceptance Rate: The journal has an acceptance rate of around 22%, indicating a competitive review process.

It's a solid journal, with a good reputation, and a competitive review process.

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:36

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:33

It's at best a middling journal and there are no peer review markings on the paper.

Size of the claim must match size and quality of the proof, and this is second study they performed with this finding, and another with debatable science and published in as debatable place.

If there is some actual science pointing on transgender people problems, I'd love it. I read it all. But mostly it's just people building up backwards from conclusions and skipping even basics like peer review, notably which is what Cass review did.

Seriously, cass review is NOT peer reviewed. It couldn't even cross that threshold. Let that sink in.

And the peer reviewing of it after publication is scathing.

what a load of made up twaddle. For a long time I’ve watched whilst TRA just make up shit and write blatant unapologetic lies to cling to some sense of control
in what’s now become an unsustainable,
illogical and universally controversial cult of gender ideology.

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:37

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:36

what a load of made up twaddle. For a long time I’ve watched whilst TRA just make up shit and write blatant unapologetic lies to cling to some sense of control
in what’s now become an unsustainable,
illogical and universally controversial cult of gender ideology.

Lets just listen to cass then hm? She set the scientific bar, and excluded every publication that is not double blind.

This is not double blind, thus by cass standard it's junk science.

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 14:38

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:33

It's at best a middling journal and there are no peer review markings on the paper.

Size of the claim must match size and quality of the proof, and this is second study they performed with this finding, and another with debatable science and published in as debatable place.

If there is some actual science pointing on transgender people problems, I'd love it. I read it all. But mostly it's just people building up backwards from conclusions and skipping even basics like peer review, notably which is what Cass review did.

Seriously, cass review is NOT peer reviewed. It couldn't even cross that threshold. Let that sink in.

And the peer reviewing of it after publication is scathing.

Why aren’t you horrified that very mentally unwell children with trans identities are suffering to the extent that they need prolonged access to specialist services (above and beyond monitoring and post intervention surveillance) even after receiving the ‘care’ that is thought of as the cure to their distress. Don’t you want more for them?

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:39

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:37

Lets just listen to cass then hm? She set the scientific bar, and excluded every publication that is not double blind.

This is not double blind, thus by cass standard it's junk science.

are you ok? Genuinely, you’re talking all kinds of absolute nonsensical gibberish, I can’t tell if it’s satire, gaslighting, genuine ignorance or something else.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 14:45

AidaP · 07/04/2026 14:37

Lets just listen to cass then hm? She set the scientific bar, and excluded every publication that is not double blind.

This is not double blind, thus by cass standard it's junk science.

There were no double-blind studies at all. Cass didn't exclude anything that wasn't double blind, because if she did, she'd have handed in a blank sheet of paper.

And it wasn't peer reviewed because it was a commissioned study.

You really are spectacularly mis-informed. Either that, or attempting to mislead.

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 14:46

Oh, and she didn't decide the quality - she used a version of the Newcastle-Ottawa scale - ie. a published standard to do that. She didn't just make arbitrary decisions on a whim.

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:47

GiantTeddyIsTired · 07/04/2026 14:45

There were no double-blind studies at all. Cass didn't exclude anything that wasn't double blind, because if she did, she'd have handed in a blank sheet of paper.

And it wasn't peer reviewed because it was a commissioned study.

You really are spectacularly mis-informed. Either that, or attempting to mislead.

in my experience, when they know they’ve got nothing, they resort to blatant lies.

DialSquare · 07/04/2026 14:49

kiopsd · 07/04/2026 14:47

in my experience, when they know they’ve got nothing, they resort to blatant lies.

And threats of rape and violence.

Brainworm · 07/04/2026 14:52

This thread is flagging what is often highlighted on this board.

What is a successful outcome for children and young people who have clinically significant distress that is attributed to gender related distress? With most psychiatric conditions, a positive outcome would usually be measured through self and other (patent/ teacher) subjective reports of wellbeing and objective measures relating to functioning (eating, sleeping, socialising, accessing and progressing in learning etc.

TRAs focus on superficial factors relating to bodily appearance - assuming that this will fix the psychiatric symptoms and impairment. They don’t seem to question if/how these factors actually improve quality of life and functioning. This study shows that despite treatment, those who receive gender affirming care continue ur to need highly levels of psychiatric care (not monitoring) brining into question the perceived benefits against the known risks.

TRAs adopt a starting position that a successful outcome is accessing the desired treatment. They focus on perspectives relating to satisfaction of the impact of treatment on their appearance and bodily changes. They don’t ever suggest they want more - such as reduction in symptoms that impact functioning. When studies do focus on these G’s tors they go mad. It reveals their priorities -