Woman dies by euthanasia after becoming paraplegic trying to commit suicide after gang rape

[AComplicatedWoman]

This is one of the most heartbreaking news stories I have come across.

Noelia Castillo had a difficult childhood and spent much of it in care homes. She was sexually assaulted by her ex-boyfriend of four years after she had taken sleeping pills to help her sleep, and was assaulted on another occasion by several men in a nightclub. She attempted suicide in October 2022, and it left her unable to use her legs and in a wheelchair. Noelia conducted a long legal battle with her father for the right to end her life and she died by euthanasia on Thursday.

RIP Noelia. I am so sorry that your life was destroyed by these abhorrent abusive men.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/noelia-castillo-euthanasia-law-spain-b2946671.html

No one is advocating for her death. No one. What we are advocating for is her having the choice.

Do the vulnerable people you work with have severe mental health issues? Have they been abused their entire lives? Do they have no one in their lives that care about them?

Of course we should help people. Of course we should do everything to protect and support the vulnerable. But we should not force them to live when it has gone beyond the point that life is bearable. It’s not a decision taken on a whim. A case like this doesn’t happen overnight.

As for her lawyer where is the source for his statement? And anyway he should be protecting her privacy even after death and she can no longer counter his claims.

Posts like this really dont help.

Why? The Met Police has a special campaign now to combat male violence ( including in their own force after Wayne Couzens). Is this also unhelpful? Does it offend mothers of sons?
Name the problem to fight it.

It's not like the state decided to do it. It is her choice!

So is suicide okay now if you're over 18 and in that moment you feel you are done? Considering how open to misinterpretation and scope creep all policies are will the state try and save you or will all those resources be sent elsewhere now that death is a cheaper viable option. The stats on Canada above in the thread are horrifying considering they don't have the death penalty, but have managed to kill an average of 7k+ citizens a year in the 10 years they've been going. Will people become desensitised to suicide and see it as normal churn. Turnover of those that can't hack it? Who is keeping tabs on when/why/how/what age the state is allowed to kill citizens (currently the UK state is not allowed to kill, so giving it that permission legally should have a bit more debate)? In the assisted dying UK threads it was all about the sign off from doctors and preventing coercion and must be terminal etc but I'm sure Canada started of with similar lofty ideals and look at them 10 years later.

Let's be clear, she died as a result of her abusers' behaviour. That isn't in doubt. However, forcing her to continue the life she no longer wanted, one that was physical and emotional agony, would that have been better for her?

The problem is, as someone mentioned on another post there are countless people who strongly believe they should harm their bodies, girls with ND are the biggest cohort of children saying they're in the wrong sex, teenagers who want to have surgery to remove their breasts and take medication to become something

Every single child I have worked with who says they are 'trans' is ND/history of trauma, every single one of them, and there is a lot. Teenagers

Some of them do go on to have surgical interventions. Their 'choice'.

Then there are people, usually men, who have been convicted of mutilation on others at their request, the horrific court cases where people were filming each other removing testicles, causing disability etc. They were also their 'choice'.

What is choice then?

She was failed by all around her. No one helped her.

I used to be all for euthanasia but I just look at other countries and it makes me worried. There was a case like this in the Netherlands years ago although in her case she didn’t have disabilities just a life of abuse. She was in her 20s too. That case worried me as the people who abused her are going about freely but the victim is put to death by the state.

Nothing at all like abortion. Massive difference between a few cells being a foetus at 8 weeks and an actual person end their own life.

This is nothing to do with trans issues and it’s ridiculous to bring this up in the same conversation.

I’m glad you got the help you needed and that life is better for you now. But you cannot speak for everyone who has suffered mental health issues. It may be that this woman’s mental health issues were more deep rooted and less amenable to treatment. She also suffered huge amounts of abuse which would have massively affected her ability to trust another person enough to help her to heal.

This woman actually tried to jump off a building. I think she would probably tried to kill herself again in a painful and horrible way. The state did not decide to kill her, they decided to allow her to kill herself to end her pain and suffering in a dignified and humane way.

Oh fuck we are talking about abortion now? Please no. A foetus is not in way comparable to a person.

Its not the same as 'trans issues' no, but it is about bodily autonomy and choice.

This was a terribly tragic case .The poor woman had tried to kill herself , and had been rescued and left disabled after throwing herself from a window.She had been in care as a child as well. The gang rape was terrible

Euthanasia is really worrying. I was really troubled by the death of Amanda Bloom who went to Scandinavia and ended her life due to grief and feeling bullied.
I was so surprised these progressive countries do these things without any physically, life limiting issues.

I read this yesterday and haven't been able to stop thinking about her, she's the same age as my children. I hope she has now found peace.

She was failed by so many over the years. I hate people and the terrible things they can inflict on others.

If this is true this is coercion, something we're told won't happen. So the state are reallocating organs of people they have killed. Apparently China do similar with executed prisoners and the wealthy can go in for same day transplants from people exectued to order, very "The Island".

@likelysuspect

There is not free choice. There is limited choice, constrained by law.

There is no law in the UK that allows removal of healthy limbs - this act would be illegal.

We have limited the ability of surgeons to mutilate children in the name of gender ideology, despite their 'choice' - because we consider they do no have the ability through age to make a fully informed decision. We do allow adults to do this - I'm not sure why to be honest given we don't allow limb removal.

At the moment, our law would not allow this young woman to make this choice in the UK. Spain's law is different.

Law changes over time - currently we have limited bodily autonomy - issues like abortion, sterilisation (frequently refused to women but not men) and assisted dying are debated/considered/altered all the time according to our changing values.

I heard about this this morning.

My near neighbour and friend had euthanasia 2 days ago.

It took 3 years for her to get permission.

I got barely any help at all, other than medication. Although you are right that I don't have the trauma history that this poor woman did. There were other posters who were insisting that people should have the right to absolute bodily autonomy, but if they are also against "gender affirming care" I wanted to point out the inconsistency. You don't know if this young woman's condition could have improved, and neither did she. I certainly thought I would feel the way I did forever. At just 25 she wasn't even really given a chance.

People? It was men who inflicted this on her by gang raping her.
Rapists should be named by their sex. Because it's relevant.

I know this, Im talking about the concept

The children I refer to obviously go on to be adults, thats the point, so they are mutiliated in my view by the state, but we allow that because thats their choice, they made that decision

Unfortunately Ive also worked with a number of adults who have removed and made other attempts to remove their own limbs

a question for all those posters who are suggesting this is abhorrent and shouldn't be allowed, it would seem to follow that you would also think that suicide should be recriminalised, if not what is the difference? Or should people with disabilities not have the right to chosse to end their own lives if they don't have the physical capacity to do it effectively without help?

Of course it shouldnt be criminalised because they're not of sound mind at the time. Thats the point (although not everyone who is suicidal is not of sound mind but thats a long debate)

I think you might have issues regarding men. Most men are very decent.