International Olympic Committee announcement today! Will it be regarding female sports?

[Helleofabore]

The IOC is making an announcement today. Here is the Youtube link for the live stream.

15.15 UK time. Let's hope it is the speculated announcement that they have decided to exclude any male person who has undergone androgenisation at puberty.

https://t.co/rm06rZDB0u

Oh well, they'll just have to get over it.

The good news is that it will be very difficult for them to reverse this new policy without attracting a lot of scrutiny. They won't be able to just quietly allow males back into the female category.

It's crazy. Would they call disabled athletes bigots for not wanting to compete against able-bodied ones, because... Michael Phelps exists? It makes no sense.

Excellent news. Congratulations must go to Dr Nic Williams from Fair Play for Women, for instigating and steering the fight back for so many years, along with Sharron Davies and Martina Navratilova.

Great news

Wow. Comments on the thread in r/Olympics are heartening! Most are in agreement. A few of the usual utterly insane witterings about how awful it is but the majority of comments are supportive.

yes Fitzsimmons and his bandanna. I guess he can’t give up his signature apparel or people might not recognise him.

I do remember Holmes from the late 90s.

I think the boxing at the last Olympics was the final straw. To give a male a gold medal for hitting a female was indefensible. They couldn’t “be kind” their way out of that one.

Emma Hilton and Ross Tucker deserve thanks along with Nic Williams.

Yeah. But Viques, the boxers aren’t transgender for the sake of sport inclusion, they were included due to their DSDs.

I expect that the Paralympics was considered a different games.

I don’t agree with any male people being included, of course, but I am imagining what the IOC would say.

it could in theory eliminate 46,XX individuals with a non-functional translocated SRY gene.

It also won’t eliminate 46,XY individuals who don’t have the SRY gene (one form of Swyer syndrome).

They are biologically male, but identifying as women, which one could argue also makes them trans. This is a complex matter, but even though they have DSDs, they are male and they know it.

edited for clarity

Someone has edited Lynsey Sharpe’s Wikipedia page with ‘true bronze medal winner at the Rio 2016 Olympics’

i feel so sorry for her. Not only did she miss out on a medal, to a casual listener on this topic at the time (me) the media spin on what she said was very much ‘she is a racist and implying that black women have significant advantage’.

Just as an aside . Are there many women pretending to be men demanding access to women’s bathrooms , sports etc or is it just men pretending to be women who cause the problem?

Huge thanks needs to go to Nic Williams from Fair Play for Women for being at the forefront of the demands for fair sport for women and having the steel ovaries to go to the IOC meeting despite an incredibly hostile environment.
Also thanks must go to all the individual women who wrote endless letters to their sports federation complaining about their trans inclusive policies. We’ve still a long way to go, especially in recreational sport but I do believe this will be the end of the madness in professional/elite sport.

I also agree with him on paper straws. Worryingly, that’s two things.

For me the central tension over this has boiled down to whether someones identity supercedes reality. In my understanding the changes in society over the 20/21st century with womens rights, gay rights and civil rights in the US pushed back at identity politics i.e. someones view of another person and grounded the law in reality.

I was critical of the Self-ID laws because there was no real discussion on how that would affect womens safety in public spaces, but I think a majority of the population lost sympathy at the Transwomen are women message and the inclusion of Laurel Hubbard at the Olympics.

The TG community have been embolded by the gay (men) community but have failed to understand that the messaging is different to gay rights. Gay people campaigned "to be who they truly are" where as Trans people actually want to be different to who they are.

r/transgenderUK had a huge thread on it, but the title had 'biological male' in the title without quotes, so it got deleted. 🤣

Stop this whataboutery there are only 2 sexes. and they are XX & XY

Gay people required nothing from anyone else and simply wanted the same rights as everyone else. Someone being gay has absolutely no effect on anyone else. Gay people didn't even require that no spaces remain that don't cater for them; religious communities remain that do not recognise same sex marriage and there has never been a significant issue with this. They just wanted the same rights to marry in civil law and to be able to form spaces that accepted this.

TRAs want people with trans identities to have additional rights that others don't have and which infringe on the rights of others, making it impossible for women to claim their rights to have safe spaces and fair sports. They want it to be illegal for women and girls to have their own toilets, changing spaces, rape crisis centres, sports or medical and personal care if any man refuses permission. They want the whole of society to change to reflect their self image, denying reality and the rights of half the population - all the population, really, given that men have a right to single sex spaces too. They do not want to allow any spaces that do not uphold their belief that men can be women, even though this is a lie. They would knock out gay rights too by denying homosexuality even exists, given that they say men can be lesbians and gay people shouldn't be allowed spaces for solely same sex attracted people.

There is no comparison.

I was answering a PP who asked why the test would eliminate almost but not all male athletes from competing in the female category.

This is because the test used does not test for the presence of the Y chromosome directly, but rather for the presence of the SRY gene which is almost always carried on the Y chromosome.

However there are certain rare DSDs which may result in either a false negative or a false positive.

For the avoidance of doubt I am completely in favour of testing and preventing males from competing in female sport.

It's amazing how when things are going well for the gender woowoo crowd everything's so simple you bigot, no debate, la la la I can't hear you. Yet when things aren't going so well all of a sudden it all becomes complex and nuanced and we ned to talk about it like adults. The hypocrisy and double standards are rife.

It was a fairly educated guess, as Sean Ingle's usually pretty good on this stuff

Coincidentally, on the 10pm news programme on Radio 4 they had on Alexandra Xanthaki, a Special Rapporteur from the UN, who was arguing exactly that, that identity is the only thing that matters and must trump everything. She came across as unhinged.

I read it before it was deleted - the fellas were getting quite angsty about the thread title. And then there well as the faux compassion for women athletes that might find out that they’re not women after all.

Newsflash lads - if you’re a woman athlete that’s never ever menstruated, I think you know there’s a problem. I guess if you’re a TIM, this thought process won’t have ever occurred to you.

True, but I would have loved it if they made Liew cover it.

The genderists are seeking to make hay out of this:

I argue the science does not support this overly simplistic assertion [that is that the SRY gene is a reliable proxy for determining biological sex].

I should know, because I discovered the SRY gene on the human Y chromosome in 1990. For 35 years I have been researching it and other genes required for testis development.

https://theconversation.com/world-athletics-mandatory-genetic-test-for-women-athletes-is-misguided-i-should-know-i-discovered-the-relevant-gene-in-1990-262367 (Note that this was written in August 2025 about the World Athletics ruling.)