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International Olympic Committee announcement today! Will it be regarding female sports?

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Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 12:41

The IOC is making an announcement today. Here is the Youtube link for the live stream.

15.15 UK time. Let's hope it is the speculated announcement that they have decided to exclude any male person who has undergone androgenisation at puberty.

https://t.co/rm06rZDB0u

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FernandoSor · 26/03/2026 15:27

nauticant · 26/03/2026 15:22

The definition for elite sports doesn't have to apply everywhere but for elite sports it must be drawn very narrowly.

For a lot of sporting federations, the rules banning males from female competition at all levels - not just elite. For example the British Cycling ban which came in in 2023 (subsequently adopted by the international governing body, the UCI, in 2024) applies at all levels of competitive sport. Same in Triathlon and Rugby and no doubt others.

biwr · 26/03/2026 15:30

Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 15:19

the policy was unanimously agreed. Good

it’s such an obvious no brainer and should’ve happened years ago.

Juneclaire · 26/03/2026 15:31

tobee · 26/03/2026 14:27

I got news notifications on my phone on this. BBC News says “restricted to biological women only” but Sky News goes with “transgender women banned”. I feel like Sky News has gone for the rage bait headline.

It’s about biological women. Their rights, safe guarding and dignity of women. I’m sick of it being all framed around trans women, around men. Setting men up as victims.

BBC still droning on about what this means fot transgender athletes, not interested in what it means for women really. What a surprise.

murasaki · 26/03/2026 15:31

Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 15:26

Yes. Unless the IOC might accept World Boxing decision.... I am going to wait and see on that one.

I wouldn't have thought they can for the Olympics. It would set a precedent and undermine this decision. World boxing could say they are satisfied for their events, but it won't wash at Olympic level, so I imagine they'll fall in line.

Binus · 26/03/2026 15:32

Juneclaire · 26/03/2026 15:31

BBC still droning on about what this means fot transgender athletes, not interested in what it means for women really. What a surprise.

Knock me down with a big fuckoff feather.

WandaSiri · 26/03/2026 15:33

Another2Cats · 26/03/2026 15:18

"Plus the restriction of its application to elite competition undermines the whole policy."

I agree, but the IOC can only put in place rules for the Olympic games, they don't get to tell other sports federations what they can and cannot do.

Having said that, the World Athletics rules (from last year) are basically the same - although there is no reference to CAIS.

World Aquatics (swimming & diving) and the International Weightlifting Federation both have a rule about not having gone through male puberty.

However, anyone competing at that level who wishes to aim for the Olympics will, of necessity, have to do the one-time cheek swab or saliva test.

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But, as you say, it is the lower level competitions where things may be different. But it may not be all bad.

Here in the UK, British Weightlifting changed its rules in July of last year, just after FWS, to limit participation in the female category solely to biological women (they had previously had a testosterone limit rule):

"To comply with the Equality Act 2010, BWL will only offer a female category which only includes women and girls whose biological sex is female. BWL will not permit the participation of males who identify as female.

"Furthermore, no male has the right in law to self-identify into a female changing room, toilet, or other single-sex space in accordance with the Equality Act 2010."

England Athletics also has a similar rule and organisations like the National Athletics League also follow this position.

But this doesn't apply to eg schools events (unless at a national level) or individual club events.

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In the USA, President Trump has had a big effect. About a year ago he made an Executive Order that said all sports bodies that receive any federal money should have a female category based solely on biological sex.

From there, the US Olympic Committee told the different US sporting federations that they also had to comply and these federations are moving at different speeds towards this. So, some still have outdated rules but they are all moving in the same direction.

But again, very small or schools events may not be covered by this.

I see. Thanks for the extra details and explanations.

Bobblebottle · 26/03/2026 15:34

nauticant · 26/03/2026 15:24

So unless Lin Yu Ting has CAIS, this might make the shenanigans of the other day become irrelevant. At least as far as the Olympics is concerned.

I think it's highly improbable that LYT has CAIS, which is why it'll be an interesting test as to the implementation of these guidelines/how watertight they are in practice

lightand · 26/03/2026 15:35

Congratulations to all those who have spent years fighting for this result.

MyThreeWords · 26/03/2026 15:41

Why does the BBC article say that "The ban will also cover almost all athletes with a DSD"? Don't they mean that it will cover almost all male athletes with a DSD? Or are there DSD disorders in women that might make them ineligible for the women's category?

Is this wording another case of women simply being forgotten about???

nauticant · 26/03/2026 15:45

If that's a direct quotation then that's activist language to suggest terrible unfairness. While being debatable at best if not untrue.

FernandoSor · 26/03/2026 15:46

murasaki · 26/03/2026 15:31

I wouldn't have thought they can for the Olympics. It would set a precedent and undermine this decision. World boxing could say they are satisfied for their events, but it won't wash at Olympic level, so I imagine they'll fall in line.

Right - IOC only has jurisdiction over the Olympics. Just as international governing bodies (e.g. World Athletics) only have jurisdiction over international (non-Olympic) comps, and national governing bodies (e.g. UK Athletics) only have jurisdiction over national comps.

But regulations often (not always) flow down, so domestic bodies end up adopting the regulations of international bodies, which end up adopting olympic regs.

Not always the case though - US Cycling still permits males to race in female races for domestic competition, even though this is banned by the UCI for international competition.

And British Cycling banned males from female domestic competition a year before the UCI did so at international level.

Croquetteh · 26/03/2026 15:52

There’s a post about this on AIBU

ThatCyanCat · 26/03/2026 15:53

MyThreeWords · 26/03/2026 15:41

Why does the BBC article say that "The ban will also cover almost all athletes with a DSD"? Don't they mean that it will cover almost all male athletes with a DSD? Or are there DSD disorders in women that might make them ineligible for the women's category?

Is this wording another case of women simply being forgotten about???

Edited

Because the BBC has been pushing this shite for years and it's not going to stop now.

haribooboo · 26/03/2026 15:59

FourGreenElephants · 26/03/2026 15:19

I suppose we are now on the very edge of definition of Female and Male.

How I understand it, it makes sense for practical purposes to go beyond XX and XY to SRY gen.

Apparently that is how they are doing it - from the BBC:

The IOC said eligibility for the female category would be determined by a screening to detect the SRY gene - the sex-determining region Y gene - which is part of the Y chromosome and causes male characteristics to develop.

"The IOC considers that SRY gene screening via saliva, cheek swab or blood sample is unintrusive compared to other possible methods," it said.

"Athletes who screen negative for the SRY gene permanently satisfy this policy's eligibility criteria for competition in the female category.

Personally I don't think genetic males who externally appear female and don't go through male puberty due to the DSD CAIS should be included in the women's category. The women's category shouldn't be for some biological males with a DSD, it should only be for biological females.

murasaki · 26/03/2026 15:59

Croquetteh · 26/03/2026 15:52

There’s a post about this on AIBU

And the inevitable post re 'why isn't this self congratulatory thread in the naughty corner' is being pleasingly rebutted with 'because it's important that people on a parenting site who have girls who do sport know about it'

Gallusoldbesom · 26/03/2026 16:01

About time. It only took numerous women being punched by cheating men and lose out on Olympic medals for them to finally put a stop to it.

Croquetteh · 26/03/2026 16:02

murasaki · 26/03/2026 15:59

And the inevitable post re 'why isn't this self congratulatory thread in the naughty corner' is being pleasingly rebutted with 'because it's important that people on a parenting site who have girls who do sport know about it'

yes! indeed.

It was never hard to define a woman was it.

nauticant · 26/03/2026 16:02

I'm liking the fight back by some on Twitter. With not much material to work with they're going for "you do realise this aligns you with Trump don't you?"

PhoebeFluffingtonFyffe · 26/03/2026 16:03

Sharron Davies is a chuffing hero.

ThatCyanCat · 26/03/2026 16:05

Croquetteh · 26/03/2026 15:52

There’s a post about this on AIBU

Great, thanks for the signpost.

Binus · 26/03/2026 16:05

nauticant · 26/03/2026 16:02

I'm liking the fight back by some on Twitter. With not much material to work with they're going for "you do realise this aligns you with Trump don't you?"

Hope it's being pointed out to them that wanting males to compete in women's events aligns with the Iranian regime.

ProfMummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 26/03/2026 16:06

Anyone else watching the press conference? Euurggh the questions "wot about menz?! The poor ickle menz, they is going to be so sad" is the jist of the day.

Nothing so far about women, and what took them so bloody long!

Updated Edit - Finally...someone has asked a question about how the women feel, those women who had to compete against men, hooray!

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 26/03/2026 16:08

Fantastic news!! Now give the medals to the women who were robbed of them over the past decades.

Helleofabore · 26/03/2026 16:08

The journo from The Australian asked a great question about what the IOC says to the women who missed out due to the previous policies.

The answer is : It was policy at the time. Look to the future.

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PhoebeFluffingtonFyffe · 26/03/2026 16:08

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 26/03/2026 16:08

Fantastic news!! Now give the medals to the women who were robbed of them over the past decades.

ABSOLUTELY.

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