Mixed sex changing rooms in a Brighton secondary school - part 3 - we're really cooking now

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

Hello friends.

I'll let the press do the talking...

https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-school-court-changing-rooms

This is bloody brilliant @SingleSexSpacesInSchools

I have been humbled and awed over the past 6 years to watch the tenacity and self sacrifice of remarkable individuals in fighting this ideology. It's truly allowed me to see how a few brave individuals change the course of the law, culture, narrative and history. A lot of us have been doing our small bits pushing back where we can, but there have had to be the few who just wouldn't let it go, who would stand up and take it all the way despite the personal repercussions, to truly make the change. You are in this camp , and I'm so bloody grateful

I'm particularly grateful that the sharp end has now been brought directly to schools. Schools have been facilitating this whole thing under the radar believing they could get away with it through some vague inclusion policies and keeping parents fearful.

I've been waiting and hoping that somehow the scandal of what as gone on in schools would finally get truly exposed and schools would finally realise their stupidity and vulnerability, and have to wake up.

I think you and you your daughter may at last be just what we were needing for this to happen.

Yes, this must be a hard thing for your daughter to you through at her age, but My God if you ever wanted her to learn a lesson in bravery, integrity and when to stand up this is it.

Thank you.

Ah working again could not post for a while.

I'm interested in what argument the school can make to justify this?

Surely all legislation is now clearly against mixed sex changing in schools? Including the new KCSIE proposals?
I really can't see what they will argue?

https://goodlawproject.org/crowdfunder/defend-trans-kids-in-school/

Excellent. Should guarantee their defeat!

I imagine that schools make the same justifications for this as employers do; that they're following the law and then, when it becomes transparent even to them that probably are in breach of that law, they're so invested in sticking to their guns because they've been doing the wrong thing for so long they just can't let go. And, besides, everyone else is doing it.

No defence at all.

I'm guessing none of us Wrong Siders reported the threatening post, so one has to wonder about its slinking away deletion

TBH OP whilst I would not want anyone to have to go to court unnecessarily, especially a 15 year old, I do think a case like this would just blow the lid off the GI nonsense in schools. Lots of people can be a bit wishy washy about the rights of older women but a school girl is a very different matter. That vitriolic and threatening post earlier shows the TRA poster does actually see that and wants to shut it down at any cost. I hope it does go to court and happy to garden if needed.

Women try guilt tripping and lean heavily on be kind, but rarely threats.

I think this is naïve, I found the behaviours directed at Kathleen Stock very threatening and most of the one's responsible for that were women, as are the one's who have been threatening the 3 Sex Realist students in Cambridge. I think mob violence is gender neutral myself.

I think Dear Jane is as she described a 'cis'women, I wondering however how old she is, it wouldn't surprise me if she turned out to be a schoolgirl herself. The playground mentality she displayed with her threats certainly speaks to a very immature person.

I have a feeling mini me SSSiS has the fortitude to tell people like her to go shove it. Brave girl's do. 😁👏

Op my daughter is the same age, this situation would be unthinkable and actually laughable here in our town, the kids would cause a riot, let alone the parents! I can’t get my head around how a school can get away with this misogyny and total lack of safeguarding - is it not public knowledge and only a few kids know about it?

I really feel for your daughter and the other girls, just because it’s Brighton are they expected to put up and shut up?! The school have really fucked up here and I can’t believe they’re going this far with legal stuff for one pupil (or maybe more, who knows but it would still be a small minority). What about any trans females to males, I wonder if they’re using the boys changing room and toilets and if they feel safe in there? I doubt it.

I wonder if this kid even feels comfortable using the girls changing room? Surely it’s obvious the girls aren’t happy about it and some hostility comes across? Or maybe they’ve been told it’s their right to be in there by their friends / parents and the school! Do you know if they were ever given the option of using a third space for changing? Just trying to get my head around the school’s thought process on this - at 11 and pre puberty perhaps it seemed more innocent if that’s the right word, a pre pubescent boy changing with the girls, not dissimilar to primary school and a non issue to the school at that point? That it was just about being inclusive and kind and no need
to inform parents? Well even using that as an excuse for a lack of safeguarding for all the girls, things change a lot between year 7 and 8, let alone by 15! The child is likely on puberty blockers as well so the school still sees it like when they were 11. Lunacy.

Men and boys are not "a minority".

Women are just as aggressive as men but it tends to be relational aggression and threats rather than physical violence or threats of violence.

Most aggression online is of this type, it's around reputational damage, loss of relationships, loss of social standing and social isolation. Be Kind approaches are code for: Do As We Say or you will feel the cost socially. that's been the main strategy in this battle and it's very effective.

It's mostly not been the threats of violence which have kept so many people in line on this, it's been fear of social exclusion which is a more typical female aggression strategy. Although now we're all so online, so the risk of being punched during most interactions is zero, so it's used by everyone men and women.

@SjaneS's threats fit with this. It's the threat that @SingleSexSpacesInSchools DD is going to be socially excluded from the Brighton community and trying to induce social shame on the OP that he's a bad parent.

These tactics are why it has taken the rare individuals who can withstand social exclusion and the threat of public shaming to pursue these cases.

Most people can't withstand it ,it's too psychologically painful.

Just a reminder about this 'tolerance' of the generation that sjanes celebrated.

Remember this was the research project from July 2021

https://cps.org.uk/media/post/2021/cps-publishes-landmark-survey-by-dr-frank-luntz-on-politics-economics-and-culture-wars/

This is the part here that is important.

-Similarly, 39% see ‘cancel culture’ as a ‘bad thing’ which shuts down freedom of speech and honest discussion, compared to 26% who see it as a good thing.

-64% think ‘cancel culture has gone too far and that people should be able to express themselves without fear of consequences.

-29% of Britons have stopped talking to someone because of something political they said, and 22% have had someone stop talking to them.

And this by yougov

https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/40111-cancel-culture-what-views-are-britons-afraid-expre

Other top views people are more reluctant to express are the belief that ethnic minorities in Britain have things as good as white Britons, with 31% who hold this view feel they can’t ever or mostly can’t say so, and transgender issues, which 29% of those who disagree with the statement “a transgender woman is a woman” feel they have to frequently keep bottled up.

the data is here

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/YouGov_-_Cancel_culture.pdf

When you look at the graphic, the younger age group are more unsure as to what they can and cannot say for fear of judgement. 27% are 'unsure' along with 46% who say they stop themselves saying things.

73% of the younger demographic feels that they cannot discuss their true opinions. How tolerant is that!!!

Apparently though , we are to believe that that age group is the most 'tolerant'.

Sure, this age group might act as if they are tolerant of some issues, but I would be checking any claim of that closely because the likelihood is that they are not being honest about their opinions.

And yet... we are constantly told just how 'tolerant' they are. While any discussion in university around the issue of why female people need single sex provisions is protested and those 'tolerant' young people are seeking to drown out any person who doesn't agree that some male people can be female people in any way.

"This is nothing but a father stoked by hate and a real saviour complex using his kid to try & push through an agenda. And it really is something else!"

You are quite correct sjane, it IS really something other than how you have characterised it.

It is not a father stoked by hate and a saviour complex. It is a father who has identified a safeguarding failure in the school, has tried to discuss it with the school over a long period of time with no progress and has had to resort to a court case.

The 'agenda' is keeping schools to the safeguarding principles that they should have at the very minimum and that they simply have ignored.

The hate and 'real saviour complex' seems to be coming from you.

So true. And the intimidation is so powerful that many adults in schools abandon all their safeguarding knowledge in the face of trans trumps.

Imagine teachers responding to a 14 year old girl who reveals that her stepdad insists she undresses in front of him by telling her to be kind and comply.

Or a 12 year old complaining that her 16 year old brother insists she showers with him?

They'd straight way refer it to the safeguarding lead. Yet in school these girls are expected to comply with these demands. And you can guarantee that if 48 year old PE teacher Fred now identifies as Freda in that school, he'd be demanding to supervise the girls changing room.

And that school would enable him.

I know it's not the done thing to advance search a poster, but it is useful in this case. It just goes to show how women can be useful idiots for the TRA mob (the path to hell is paved with good intentions etc...)

I am always curious about why most news organisations won't touch the trans issue.

https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/2036204652618735763

I am glad GB News has and I don't give a damn what others think of that.

Well done that man and his daughter!

And thank you.

Here's what the GLP had to say. I've edited it to remove the outright lies. Sickening:

Schools should be places where the care and safety of children is paramount – not battlegrounds for other people’s politics. But one state school which has worked carefully to keep all students safe is under threat. The school has been threatened with legal action unless it imposes a blanket changing room ban, irrespective of any harm to trans children. Decisions about young people should put the needs of young people first – not use them as pawns to fight a culture war.
The school has followed local authority guidance and the law, making decisions on the use of bathrooms and changing rooms on a case-by-case basis that takes into account the needs of all students and families. That’s responsible safeguarding.

There is nothing in the Equality Act that always requires schools to ban trans pupils from using facilities that align with their lived gender. And blanket bans would raise serious tantrums legal and human rights concerns. Children’s safety shouldn’t be weaponised for political gain. Trans children are children who deserve dignity and support.

Well well, an actual and very public threat aimed at a child from a TRA. Who'd have thunked it? Hope that's been reported - and certainly goes a long way to showing why people are so reticent to stand up to this in RL.

I trust that @SJaneS is taking some time out this afternoon to reflect on their atrocious behaviour.

Decisions about young people should put the needs of young people first – not use them as pawns to fight a culture war.

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Who'd have thought I'd agree with those losers on something

Indeed. Privileged ex pupil of an “elitist girls public school” doesn’t give a shit about the working class women who are most affected by insisting males should use female single sex provision.

The GLP goes from bad to worse. Lying scumbags.

Decisions about young people should put the needs of young people first – not use them as pawns to fight a culture war to be medically experiment on or as support animals to a bonkers ideology that should never have been allowed into the schools in the first place

Fixed even further.

There are no depths the fox killer will not plumb. He passed the Mariana Trench years ago.

What I find really interesting is that trans identified girls (natal girls for clarity) attending the school are given separate private spaces/toilets if I remember correctly from @SingleSexSpacesInSchools... They are not joining boys toilets and changing rooms. As if some glaring obvious elements of safeguarding can't be ignored... An if that works for trans identified girls without serious human rights concerns, why not for trans identified boys??