Men who say they are women

[Shedmistress]

Men who say they are women and then also say 'I don't like men in women's spaces'.

They totally understand that the men that are in women's spaces, are them, right?

They must know that.

We know they know that.

They know that we know they know that.

They know full well that the reason 'nobody has ever challenged me' is because women don't want a punch in the face. Or to face years of a tribunal because the man who says he is a woman went crying to the manager.

They say they are victims of the patricarchy, but they ARE the patriarchy. They know this. Because they are men.

This whole 'needing to use female spaces' comes from the doctors who would only sign off on a surgery if the men had duped people into allowing them to use female spaces, and to which we refer back to the above points of nobody wanting to challenge them. Not because of the potential for male violence, just for the exploitation of females who don't want to be punched.

I find it fascinating, i really do, the delusion to which we are all supposed to dance around and the deletions when women just say no. Or when women refer to their own situations having come across these men and the inferences that 'we've never met one, so how would we even tell'. For me it is the personal experiences that made me as hard line as I am.

I really don't think they believe they are women. They collectively see themselves as a group before they see themselves as women - and that gives the game away.

They don't really believe they are women though. They know they aren't. They have all the parts to prove that.

They've just leapt on a convenient narrative because it suits their agenda.

Why do YOU think that they don't know they are men?

If they don't know they are men, how would they know which cross sex hormones to take? If they think they are women surely they would need testosterone as their cross sex hormone?

Men are the patriarchy, it is them that female only spaces were designed to keep out.

YOU don't believe that men can be women. But they do.

We know that men cannot be women. You can have your own opinions but you don’t get to have your own facts.

Northern Europeans in particular sometimes surprise me in how much they are grounded in 'polite society'

Possibly but there's also a lot of copy catting going on, the energy behind it is the Global Left meme, the UK is copy catting the USA, where as Europe might be copy catting somewhere like Holland or Denmark. Perhaps the reason why it captured Europe so completely is because the Global Left influence is different to that in the UK.

Labour have drunk the Global South Kool Aid, which is why they are the side that's pushing it but they've only just got into power here, if they had beaten the Tory's in the election before last we could be just as captured as the rest of Europe by now.

We may owe the fact we're still free enough to fight to Boris Johnson. 😱

...I didn't say they don't know they are men?

I don't know how to have a conversation with someone who can't understand anything I'm saying, I'm out

I haven't expressed my own opinion at all.

Really like this post @Greyskybluesky.

I looked at some statistics on how many countries in the world make laws against lesbian, gay and bisexual people, as well as statistics for the criminalisation of trans people and the statistics show that 65 countries criminalise sexuality but that out of those, 13 criminalise trans people. Countries that criminalise trans people have varying degrees of punishment from 100 lashes and short imprisonment to the death penalty.

Afghanistan has extremely punitive laws against LGB people but doesn't appear to criminalise trans people. Maybe something to do with the culture in Afghanistan means that nobody would ever try to pretend they were female when they weren't.

Figures from the Human Dignity Trust:

AFGHANISTAN
Criminalisation:

• Criminalises LGBT people
• Criminalises sexual activity between males
• Criminalises sexual activity between females
• Imposes the death penalty

Maximum punishment: Death penalty

Oh but yes, totes chilled about sex n gender.

I responded to your question and asked you something, I'm not sure what else you were expecting when you asked me a question?

Anyway. Back to the discussion.

Does anyone remember when they said that the GRC panel was humiliating because they have to prove they pass and use women spaces? Turns out it just sending in proof of using Ms as a title and a diagnosis.
They also require you to tell them what genital surgery you’ve had/are having, or an explanation if you’re not having surgery.

I’m fine with proof of diagnosis being required.

They don't believe that they are us. The concept of being trans and cis wouldn't exist if they thought we were the same.

When they claim to be woman, and name us cis, then say they suffer from misogyny and transphobia, they are redefining woman as an identity while acknowledging their sex. Misogyny is being redefined as a hatred of 'woman gender', transphobia a hatred of their different sex and gender presentation.

If they believed that they are women, why would they lean on gender?

Thing is pingpong, it creates a legal fiction which has now been shown to be basically meaningless for the purpose many try to force it to be meaningful for.

As clarified by the EA2010.

I heard Iran is quite into sex change* surgery though? Maybe he means that?

I guess that means Iran is progressive and totally into trans rights.

*I know it's not actually sex changing

The other thing is that men do not like women who demonstrate they are smarter than them. They hate it. They are women who don't know their place.

I was first called a witch in infant school because I was cleverer than most of the boys. I told my 90 year old mum recently and she was just a tad shocked because this wasn't a desirable thing back then, rather lacking in positive witch role models.
It carried on for a fair while, until it became clear as everyone changed schools and classes and got sorted out that there were actually some more girls who got better marks than boys and calling us all witches wasn't really going to wash, we didn't care.

But I couldn't be clever just because I was, I obviously had to be having supernatural assistance, in the 1970s. 😳
Funnily enough it didn't inspire me to make efforts to get lower marks for male approval.

Afghanistan has extremely punitive laws against LGB people but doesn't appear to criminalise trans people. Maybe something to do with the culture in Afghanistan means that nobody would ever try to pretend they were female when they weren't.

And what if a women tried to pretend she was a man, would they criminalise 'trans' people then do you think.

Placemarking to read and see if there’s an explanation of what makes a man a woman other than their “internal cognition”.

What I would like is some sort of hand or eye signal that I could use to indicate to a trans identifying man that I know he is a man

I think I have an involuntary 'double-take' thing going on. I'm getting on in years and I work in a charity shop so I've tried to train myself out of it, but nope.
Or perhaps they just think they're proper head turners.

Having said that, there is one man who comes in in long frilly skirts and blouses but he doesn't think he's a woman, he told me he just likes the clothes.
In fact I think I'd do a double take if he came in wearing a suit.

You can't change sex.

I know this.

You know this.

You can believe whatever you want about yourself, but I and everyone else don't have to go along with it.

Men remain men, no matter how much it pains some of them.

So, no, you are not "just a woman like you".

IANAL either! 😆

I found where I got my initial impression from.

. It's the round table after FWS. About 1.14.30 in. They do mention the nuisance law you suggest.

It's a good listen (you probably already have!) but unfortunately it made me feel doubtful on this aspect.

They know. Ofc they know. They just want us to indulge in their fantasies with them.

Well that's an egregious piece of gaslighting bullshit sponsored by the Victorian Government.

I notice that, other than the football team, it's (primarily big, burly) men welcoming trans-women into their (open, public) spaces being compared with the woman alone in a lift with the significantly larger trans-woman.

Also "unfairly" is a very subjective word to choose.

Same. A diagnosis is no big deal, I don't like the proof of evidence because it's literally just a few bits of paper with the word Miss on it. It's not even that I don't think there should be proof of evidence at all, just that some bits of paper saying a title is arbitrary and pointless.

‘You’ was not specifically aimed at you in particular but people in general. I find using “one” instead of “you” a bit poncy.

The coercion adds an extra buzz.

Yeah, it's weird there's any of them left isn't it?