Men who say they are women

[Shedmistress]

Men who say they are women and then also say 'I don't like men in women's spaces'.

They totally understand that the men that are in women's spaces, are them, right?

They must know that.

We know they know that.

They know that we know they know that.

They know full well that the reason 'nobody has ever challenged me' is because women don't want a punch in the face. Or to face years of a tribunal because the man who says he is a woman went crying to the manager.

They say they are victims of the patricarchy, but they ARE the patriarchy. They know this. Because they are men.

This whole 'needing to use female spaces' comes from the doctors who would only sign off on a surgery if the men had duped people into allowing them to use female spaces, and to which we refer back to the above points of nobody wanting to challenge them. Not because of the potential for male violence, just for the exploitation of females who don't want to be punched.

I find it fascinating, i really do, the delusion to which we are all supposed to dance around and the deletions when women just say no. Or when women refer to their own situations having come across these men and the inferences that 'we've never met one, so how would we even tell'. For me it is the personal experiences that made me as hard line as I am.

I assume they all have mummy issues

What works on other boards where OP asks a question and everyone answers the OP and their subsequent posts doesn't work on this board. Everyone answers everyone sometimes so once it's a few posts in you need to reference the post you are responding to or quote it.

Oh gosh, let's not go there again 😬

Good point.

When photographed at court appearances, Lennon/Katie Dolatowski is unmistakably a man - his features and height make it obvious. HIs 'feminine' clothing consists of what might be a woman's cardigan. Otherwise, he's wearing jeans and possibly a shirt.

There was nothing to stop him using men's spaces: but this man insisted on his right to enter women's public toilets where he committed voyeurism against one 12 yr old girl and attempted to rape a 10 yr old girl. (He didn't succeed because the brave little girl punched Katie in the groin. That's why he was 'only' convicted of sexual assault, I recall.)

On remand, Dolatowski insisted that he had a right to be in a women's prison. When convicted of other crimes, D insisted that he was a woman. He twice stayed in women's hostels where children were housed—in spite of being a convicted paedophile.

When Dolatowski did find himself in a men's prison, the only person to receive physical violence as a result was the male prisoner who had mocked Dolatowski. The authorities originally acted by moving Dolatowski to a women's prison. It beggars belief.

I recall that Lennon/Katie was caught posting on social media under a pseudonym. I sometimes wonder whether he's had the nerve to come on here.

On Twitter/X, he was arguing about his right as a trans person to be in women's spaces and berating those who disagreed with the Scottish government's attempts to push through pro-trans legislation.

[PS I take back what I said about the jeans earlier. There's one pic of Katie in floral leggings.]

This is the person who is supposed to be unsafe in men's spaces:

But I don't know, because to be honest I'm not sure exactly where the bar would be between slightly riotous but basically inoffensive behaviour, and an actual offence.
Fortunately when it comes to sex-segregated toilets, it's as binary as human sex: if you're a man, however you identify, you should not use the women's toilet.

And thanks to the Supreme Court, you don't even have to be unsure about what is meant by 'man' or 'woman' - biology decides.

So it's not a issue of being slightly male in the women's toilet, or very male in the women's toilet, or being riotously male in the women's toilet, it's about being male in the women's toilet

It's not complicated, and ordinary people, including transwomen, can grasp quite easily that toilets are segregated not by gender but by sex, and act accordingly.

Unless of course they are for some reason seeking to
'obstruct the public or a section of the public in the exercise or enjoyment of a right that may be exercised or enjoyed by the public ',
i.e. in this case the right to have women-only spaces that have no men in them.

Somehow failed to load the pictures.

We've already discussed this week.

Definitely some with Mummy issues. Id include my brother in that.

You are right. I wasn't trying to compare borderline riotous behaviour with the male/female binary! I was just illustrating that the trouble with these generic "your behaviour might upset people" laws is that nobody is exactly sure what specific behaviours fall under them until it is tested in court and precedent set.

If I spotted an ordinary man entering the women's toilets, and alerted a nearby police officer that he had done so, I would not be in any way confident that the police officer would arrest that man under the aforementioned public order act. Even if he did, I wouldn't be confident that it would get to court (even after repeated offences), nor that the court would actually decide that it does meet the requirements for conviction under this law. If I, an ordinary citizen, cannot be sure whether this behaviour meets the bar, and it has never been tested, then the law is not clear.

This video?

https://x.com/womenreadwomen/status/2035109786036138427?s=46

WTAF?

Juat want to pee …

You're right, the police don't have a great record on defending women's rights🙄
But if your police office could be bothered to respond to your complaint, the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 has a definition of 'nuisance' which is clearer than 'your behaviour might upset people'.

And if the man you have reported refuses to leave the women's toilet when told to do so by the owner/manager of the premises, it would be an offence of trespass under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994.

A couple of test cases would be useful, but none of this would be necessary if men, however they identify, just stayed out of women's spaces.

The trans juggernaut seems to be running out of steam, and there have been a series of legal roadblocks put in its way, so hopefully the number of men obsessed with using the women's toilet will dwindle!

Do they hear themselves when they say stuff like this?
I mean... 😂

https://press.un.org/en/2026/wom2249.doc.htm

There is a reason that the organisation called UN Women is known as unwomen. And any organisation for women that appoints a male person as their special ambassador to that organisation is indeed ‘unwomen’.

So, no. That vote in the UN does not provide “evidence to back up his statement that the entire rest of the world isn't hung up about sex n gender”.

It would be also contradictory because the point to be supported by evidence was that the UK was the odd country out. That vote being suggested as ‘evidence’ had UK voting with the rest of the world contradicting the point being made. The UK is one of the member states that voted in the block.

www.unwomen.org/sites/default/files/2025-04/csw70-2026-membership.pdf

The suggestion is also offensive considering that fairly recently, in 2023 I believe, the UN allowed Iran to chair an annual meeting about human rights. I don’t believe many people find the UN voting credible these days.

It is evidence the rest of the world considers its focus on all women and genuine issues affecting women and girls to be a more fruitful use of its attention than obsessive moralist campaigning against bodily autonomy and personhood.

It really doesn’t evidence that at all though.

If someone believes that a male person can be a female person, I guess people will use that as a guide as to whether they are credible on any issue.

Hence why the UN Women are not a credible organisation when it comes to centring female people or even representing female people’s interests at all.

I see. That's your belief then.

”obsessive moralist campaigning against bodily autonomy”

Oh. You mean like those campaigning to ignore women’s consent over who should be in provisions where they feel vulnerable and need male people to be excluded?

You mean like those campaigning or saying it is ok to ignore women’s consent to whether a male health professional touches them when they have asked for a female health care professional as an example?

You mean like those who believe it is moral for a male person to be locked in a cell with a female person and that female person being told it is a female person they are locked in with? That kind of bodily autonomy?

The document and process was shared in response to the request to provide more information.

If you wish to pack the declaration with all of your additional concerns, that is between you and the UN.

Well I understand that some male people believe that their subjective reality, that is only supported by philisophical theory, should be treated as if that subjective reality is the material reality that they are female people.

My material reality for more than 3/4 of my life is identified as female by everyone but sex realists. I don't need your validation, I have a life.

So you think it's credible for Iran to chair human rights committees? Because otherwise it undermines their position on sex and you'd literally tolerate anything provided it otherwise supported your position?

Ok.

Yeah we get it. You hate human rights really because if we talked about anything else we might have to acknowledge the status and importance of sex in women rights.

And as predicted as soon as witching hour in the UK arrived... This thread has gone as anticipated.

Men who insist on ruining boundaries, undermining safeguarding and using single-sex spaces intended for females are 100% responsible for making it easy for their fellow men to commit crimes like this.

https://x.com/salltweets/status/2035135212573925771?s=20

https://nitter.net/salltweets/status/2035135212573925771?s=20

And what we’re seeing from these men commenting here and on other social media is that they don’t care. Genderists like Sophie Grace Chappell (Philosopher) who, when he was discussing maintaining single-sex spaces to protect women and girls from sexual assault by men claiming to be women, opined that, '‘…there’s the odd anecdote' and that '… It wouldn’t matter, actually, if there was a slight spike in those statistics…'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/mar/20/former-met-officer-systematically-groomed-raped-girl-woman-jailed?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other