Women’s Hour - Transwoman Talking About Misogyny WTAF?

[DrBlackbird]

I’ve just clocked this as R4 on in the background but Nuala (of course) talking to a transwoman about misogyny?! I mean just what… Nuala asked about his experience of misogyny after transitioning. Apparently, nothing, not even misogyny, is allowed to be centred on women.

Agreed: there’s a Ted talk by a trans woman (no trans man AFAIAA - unsurprisingly) called Paula Stone Williams which was something of an eye opener for me when I first came across it, about how men talk over or down to her (him) in a way that never happened to him as a man.

I suspect that men’s reaction to a trans man would not be as “accepting” of their new identity as their male “equal” - but I could well be wrong. I’d really love to know.

I took got this feedback - follow up submitted now.

When Jenni Murray's death was announced on the 7 o'clock news last night on Radio 4, did I hear correctly that they said "A former presenter ..."? It seemed to impersonal, so deliberately distancing, surely the norm would be "The former presenter ...".

The item on Jenni Murray's death in the Today programme this morning had an interview with a WH producer who managed to rather disparagingly imply that Jenni went off the rails with her stance on "trans" matters.

I heard that too. It was shameful. She made it sound as though that were a blip in an otherwise leading light of advanced feminist thought.

Shame, shame, shame on them yet again. They cannot even report the outrage of what happened to her at the hands of the BBC.

I’d like a FOI done on just how many women wrote to the BBC to say the opposite, to back her up and to complain.
I would not trust them to have kept the evidence though.

By not acknowledging what it did to JM, the BBC is sort of doing a second, post-mortem, cancellation. That's truly shit behaviour.

Fuck's sake. Their accusations are admissions, like all narcissists.

Apologies I have now listened again to the Today programme. The WH producer was Sally Feldman who had nothing but good things to say about Jenni. It was Nick Robinson who raised the "trans" issue with Harriet Harman who was dismissive.

My daughter is in primary 6 and has had this numerous times in school about girls not playing being able to play football and other games because girls aren't fast. My daughter called them out for their sexism once only for a teacher to say it wasn't sexist.

Thankfully she came home feeling indignant rather than feeling chastised. This stuff is so normalised. Misogyny is about who it is directed at, not who perpetuates it. It's not one or two experiences over a lifetime that can be condensed into convenient soundbites.

My daughter wanted to be a pilot in primary school (still a dream job) the boys said she couldn't because she was a girl. I told her next time they said that to ask them "Why, do you fly a plane with your penis?" They never made that comment again! So proud of her!

Woman’s Hour just now was talking about Jenni Murray. They mentioned how she stood up for women. They did not mention that she very bravely stood up for women when she pointed out that (51% of the population) women have inimitable characteristics and lives that are distinct from those of transwomen (males) - and was traduced and villified by the BBC for it.

That was Jenni Murray being brave and standing up for women. Why didn’t they mention this.

Someone Feldman last weekend mentioned it but it was as a blip in an otherwise outstanding career. False. It was an outstanding moment in her career.

This is currently one of the points of discussion on Feedback on Radio 4.

Well. The post sent to the Feedback programme was extremely direct and disapproving. Woman's Hour was invited to send one of their team onto Feedback to respond but they declined, instead sending a statement, which was effectively:

We covered the Supreme Court issue in the past. We don't have to cover the same ground again. The transwoman is such as expert we can't see why people are moaning.

They've got the cheek to have a man on to talk about women's issues but not the balls to answer questions about their decision. Pathetic.

I like Andrea Catherwood's BBC investigating BBC Introduction that ends
(exasperated) We've tried to get some answers

The "woman's" hour team have probably spent this afternoon contacting men to talk about how cruel it is that trans "women" are now "banned" from the Olympics on tomorrow's show.

The irony is that the TRAs over on Reddit believe the BBC to be a deeply transphobic institution. Nothing they do will be good enough, despite all this pandering. It’s no wonder at all that Emma Barnet moved on and left it to the committed simperers that present it now.

Not unsurprising response. They are cowards and I am now turning the radio to a different station at 10am every day. WH is infuriating. Is it the producers? The presenters? Whoever is to blame, it is a bad combination to be both insufferably smug and sanctimonious and wilfully thick.

Built deeply into trans activism is to have unrelenting demands. No matter what is granted to trans activists it is never enough and more must immediately be demanded, no matter how outrageous. There is no end to this. It's actually a known thing in extreme activism.

This is why seeking compromise or giving in to their demands is a mug's game.

I should have added that one reason for this is that the core demand, to be the opposite sex, is impossible, and so the outrageous demands work a consolation to ease this profound disappointment.

(This demand doesn't apply to all trans people. Some are content to be male and have other motivations.)

It’s almost like the actual issue doesn’t matter or is secondary to the emotions excited by the stimulus of imposing your worldview on others. For any extreme activism. It’s a matter of finding a suitable subject to act on.

Coming from a sort of heady mixture of desire for strong emotions, a need to control and dominate, combined with the pleasure of self righteousness. This could apply to many of the Green Party proposals. But for many men, we add an innate hatred of being told no (esp by women) and the added thrill of imposing a sexual fetish on others.

A very potent force.

Edited to add; that many TW I know don’t seem to hold a profound disappointment in not being female. Almost as if that doesn’t actually matter. But others may experience that regret?

As I've said before on this subject, it's narcissism on a grand scale.

And people stupid enough to stroke the egos. And other parts, as who knows whether it is emotional stimulation only when a man is talking about their perceived experience of being a woman.

And people stupid enough to stroke the egos.

I can understand a certain amount of fawning to keep yourself safe if you have no choice but to be near a narcissistic abuser but these fuckers who virtue signal and support from afar, I just do not understand. I'd dearly like to know what's behind their thinking.

Many will not be thinking, just drinking ... the kool aid 🙄

100% this @nauticant.
These activists and AGPs are not interested in getting on with their lives, living whatever fantasy they indulge in.
They need women and women's spaces to validate their self-claimed identity and because that is built on bollocks they will always need more and more validation.
Being kind and turning a blind eye is one of the things that got us into this mess.