Women’s Hour - Transwoman Talking About Misogyny WTAF?

[DrBlackbird]

I’ve just clocked this as R4 on in the background but Nuala (of course) talking to a transwoman about misogyny?! I mean just what… Nuala asked about his experience of misogyny after transitioning. Apparently, nothing, not even misogyny, is allowed to be centred on women.

I’m still hanging on to the belief that, on balance, it is better to publicly fund one media source than leave it entirely to a market controlled by billionaires.

I’ve said this before, but this inexplicable belief in gender being more important than material sex has done such incalculable damage to any field or institution seen as ‘progressive’. Education, healthcare, civil service, the EU, Canada, Australia etc.

And journalism. To wit, the sadly diminished Graun, and attempts on the BBC. Fortunately, the many GC women of Terf Island have not succumbed. But this is the land of the suffragettes and sheer bloody mindedness. Thank god.

NB. Admittedly the belief re the BBC is hanging by a thread.

@TiredOfYourLiesGo away with your faux moralising.

The trans lunacy makes me angry too but you really shouldn't say things like that about people without evidence. I haven't seen any other comments here suggesting he's done such a thing.

You can’t just make up lies about someone’s character, and the fact that you have actually says a lot about your character.

One part of Nuala's interview made me chuckle. She had to rapidly step in when her guest started to stray from the path of righteousness - transcribed from the broadcast (about 48m 30s in)

Guest: What we're also seeing is young boys being exposed to the influence of the impact of body dysmorphia the the risk of thinking that the way you need to change your body is through the use of steroids through the use of looks maxing

Hmmm, sounds like parts of the online community are taking advantage of young boys with body dismorphia, convincing them to recklessly take unnecessary drugs and seek surgery to change the way that their bodies look.

Sound familiar?

Nuala (abruptly butting in): And I wanted to I wanted to stop you there with the looks maxing which you had mentioned I just wanted you to finish your point.

Aaaagh, don't go there

Nuala: So this is a subculture online that focuses aggressively on maximizing physical appearance and it can go as far as surgery or other practices but it's something I suppose that's been talked about recently as well.

It's just 'maximizing physical appearance' so no parallels at all with gender identity.

Nothing to see here, move on.

I think ‘Ludicrous’ was an excerpt from the article being used as part of the headline.

It was showing that many people wrote to the BBC because they think the BBC was ludicrous to have invited this transwoman (male) to speak about misogyny.

edited for typo

It could have been genuinely interesting to have invited transmen to talk about whether colleagues (who knew them before transition) still viewed them as women ie expected to make the tea, organise leaving cards etc. Do transmen report blokey sexist bants from male colleagues, or do they join in? Do tradies speak to them differently about jobs?

But no, the default option is to invite a man on.

I noticed that the woman interviewee had to talk at 3 times the speed of the transwoman, because ... Despite her knowledge and wisdom, she's used to being interrupted when men get bored, talked over if she doesn't make her point quickly enough. The transwoman belaboured clichéd points, and was more convincing at describing what boys and men could be going thru, than guessing what it is a 25-40 year old tradwife/SAHM might be feeling. Joke. Sad, exhausting joke.

I agree that would make a fascinating programme.

Please excuse the derail but: there was once a radio programme about 3 years ago, almost like that, all about a woman who disguised herself as a man and lived that way for about a year. I think she may have written a book about it. But she was in no way ‘trans’. She just wanted to see the difference compared to living as a woman.

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Trans ‘men’ are always an afterthought with trans shite.

Funny how things work out, eh?

Something, something male privilege.

Why didn't they go for a child development psychologist, who at least understands the current environment for boys growing up. They could even have stuck with their Australian guest agenda. Steve Biddulph springs to mind.

This was the book she wrote about her experiences:
Self-Made Man: My Year Disguised as a Man
Norah Vincent
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book)

Well done for your brilliant achievement! I bet that was an amazing trip.

Womans Hour and its woke handmaiden presenters disgusts me.

“Existing while trans” is not the same as mansplaining misogyny to women while putting on a ‘lady’ voice.

Although on second thoughts..

Yes! There's so much scope here for a genuinely interesting piece, so many angles that could have been explored. But the BBC simply reaches for its trans Rolodex and thinks that's its job done 🙄

The transmen input would have been fascinating
They could have got an 80+ woman (as opposed to an 80+ man) on to talk about how misogyny has changed over her lifetime
A second-wave feminist, a Greenham Common activist, a woman at the top of any male-dominated industry you care to mention

All would have been 100 times more interesting and worthwhile than the pontifications of this man.

Womans Hour and its woke handmaiden presenters disgusts me.

Me too. They could have got Jenni Murray on to talk about it! I wonder why they didn't...

Yes, sorry - I thought it was Anthony Halliday A.K.A. Steph Hayden!

I've reported it for deletion.

How about took a representational slot that should have been given to a female expert and not a male person who is effectively mansplaining about misogyny, all the while bringing in behaviour towards male people from other male people under the definition of a word that female people need to describe their own oppression?

That this professor exists is not the issue. That a show called 'Woman's Hour' platformed him, when he is himself, guilty of misogynistic behaviour through describing himself as a woman, for a segment on misogyny is a significant issue.

Thanks for contacting us with your concerns about Woman’s Hour broadcast on 17 March.

We’ve shared these with the programme team and senior managers at Radio 4.

Raewyn Connell, Professor Emerita at the University of Sydney, was invited to contribute to the item on misogyny, on the basis of her academic work as a renowned sociologist studying the social theory of masculinity.

Professor Connell shared her academic expertise in this discussion exploring themes raised by the Louis Theroux documentary, Inside the Manosphere, also acknowledging her personal experience as a trans-woman.

Woman's Hour regularly covers the topic of misogyny and includes a range of voices and perspectives.

Professor Sarah Hawkes from the gender equality think tank Global 50/50 also contributed to the discussion.

Thanks for your feedback.

What a lot of words for "we don't give a shit"

Although, quelle horreur! Naughty BBC have put a "-" in between the word trans and woman. Don't they know the rules 🤪

I am surprised by the ‘Professor Emerita’.

That seems the equivalent of ‘actress’, ‘poetess’, or ‘waitress’. Are female professors described this way?

@GreyskyblueskyIm sorry to report that Jenni Murray has died - it's been announced just now.

I just saw that 💐
Very sad.

Jenni 💐💐💐💐💐