But, but it never happens……Germany

[Cismyfatarse]

Authorities want cross-dressing neo-Nazi to be reclassified a man

https://www.thetimes.com/article/4c52427e-429a-4678-987e-fcc5cfb27afb?shareToken=0bba62305fc2f0e130863e3db4d89fea

The bad faith actions of anti-trans activists are hardly rare. Trans people are not responsible for this. Here's another prominent example for your "But it never happens..." list.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/male-canadian-powerlifter-breaks-women-172134581.html

Not read it yet but surely he's a neo nazi gender similar to Isla being rapist gender? Won't somebody think of the poor men 😱

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Since then he has played a derisive game of cat and mouse with the state, claiming to have sought asylum in Russia and subsequently applying to change his name to “Anne Frank” and his gender to “miscellaneous”.
Oh dear. So he's either trolling the government or he's mentally unwell. Yep, not new news is it.

@onepostwonder You are missing the point. 🙄

The bad faith actions of anti-trans activists are hardly rare. Trans people are not responsible for this.

Yes they are. You demand we accept anyone who says they are trans as trans. So please share why this person isn't a woman?

Has anyone suggested they are - it is a weird argument when you suggest that the article blames anyone apart from FHB (floppy hat bloke) and the stupid German gender law. Trans activists in the UK, men, women, men who want to be women, and women who want to be men (aka people) campaigned for this. They nearly got it in Scotland. And, for a while, there were men in women’s prisons. There still are some in Scotland.

This is what we were told would never happen. And, lo, it came to pass. Thank goodness for For Women Scotland and other campaigners. Or FHB might be some poor woman’s Neo Nazi cell mate.

The problem is that Germany doesn't have a well functioning feminist movement like the UK. Alice Schwarzer, Germany's most famous feminist, is 83 years old and no longer as eloquent as she used to be. There seems to be nobody who can make convincing and coherent arguments like Helen Joyce or Kathleen Stock and be strategic about how to tackle the issue. When I speak to my German friends a lot of them are gender critical, but based on intuition not on knowledge and facts. Most seem to think trans activism won't affect them.

You're right. The man in your example, in trying to show the foolishness of that trans-inclusion policy, only succeeds in showing ... er, hmm, ... the foolishness of that trans-inclusion policy. Oh well.

Funny how the far-right and gender critical people don't talk about Neo-Nazi pedos when they are on their side?

https://www.advocate.com/crime/neo-nazi-child-porn-arrest

"Neo-Nazi who protested drag shows has been arrested on child porn charges"

It was not a bad faith action. Liebich used the law in exactly the way it was meant to be used. People warned the politicians and TRActivists of this before the law was enacted last year, but of course who listens to TERFs...

Men being abusive; trans, GC, neo-nazi. I wonder what it is they all have in common? Is it that they're men?

That's why single sex spaces should be exactly that and no man, however he dresses, whatever his politics, should be considered exempt from safeguarding.

@Christinapple and @onepostwonder What do they teach for Geography in your place? Since when are Alberta and Rhode Island a German Bundesland? Reading the thread headline again might help...

Do you not think he’s done it on purpose to show how ludicrous the new law is?

Staggering, a bad idea, translated into bad law, is being availed of by a bad actor.
Simply no-one could have foreseen it. 🙄

So, Chris and Onepost, as it has been correctly pointed out upthread that the articles you linked to aren't about Germany, maybe you could start your own threads so that we can discuss them without derailing this one?

All these posts prove is the ridiculousness of trans ideology. If people can claim they’ve changed sex, they will claim they’ve changed sex. If claiming to be female makes it easier to access women and girls, then abusive men will claim to be female. It’s 101. Water is wet. Stupid laws will be used stupidly.

Chris your example doesn’t undermine radical feminism. Fucking freaky men get everywhere- we have to work hard to get space away from them. You are making that harder.

Don’t bleat, ‘It’s nothing to do with me, NATALT etc…’. This is exactly what you campaign for. This is the fault of the people who campaigned for it.

Oh, come now, don't take away their raison d'être.

Will this guy be sent to a women's prison? Was he allowed into pool changing rooms with little girls? Were he and his friends invited to read stories to little kids at the library before his arrest?

The reason we don't talk about every pedo male that hits the news is because we're not surprised by those stories. Men like that are all too common. We ARE surprised (more like enraged) when the men in those news stories are the ones being allowed and invited into every place set aside for vulnerable women and children. It's the same reason priest and boy scout pedos get more attention in the news.

Man = pedo: not really news

Man with special access to kids and treated like a sacred cast = pedo: news

It's not hard to understand.

Interesting last three paragraphs with the opinion of a lawyer and legal scholar, Udo Vetter:

[Vetter] argued that the law had deliberately made it all but impossible for registry offices to block applicants from changing gender on the basis that they did not seem to be sincere. Nor, in Vetter’s view, can Liebich’s previous statements attacking the transgender rights movements be used as evidence of his deceit.

“Should the Halle district court approve the application from the Saalekreis, it would not just create Germany’s first case of [self-ID] reversal,” Vetter wrote. “It would above all send out a signal that the self-ID law actually is subject to a material check, against the explicit will of the people who made the law.

“An interpretation along these lines cannot be reconciled with the literal wording and classification scheme of the law. At the end of the day, it would mean the end of the newly-won liberty [to change genders at will].”

This might end up at the Constitutional Court yet.

@Delphin One can but hope.

Ooooh a deletion, hurrah! Tetchy aren’t they? Who knew Pagliacci emojis were so triggering…

Indeed the only "side" I'm on, to coin the slightly childish framing earlier, is the side of reality. I really don't want to be forced to pretend that some men are women. Those men need to get offline and do something meaningful with their lives.

Well well well... what a pickle

Suddenly, the authorities do know what a woman is?

This man is the exact reason why 'genderism' will defeat itself, eventually. When it is completely successful, women get hurt and the problems are so glaringly obvious that the only people who continue to support it are sadistic misogynists.