Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

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https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

“My removal from the international women’s day event by the police.

I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the council, asked me to leave for asking questions.

I have footage of every interaction that I will upload later so you can see what those questions were and you can judge for yourself.”

I believe even the Macquarie Dictionary lists the meaning of the word 'woman' as being a person of the female sex.

I grew up with a Funk & Wagnalls which was the cheapest mum could get for me for school, it fell apart. However, I have a copy of 'The Modern Standard English Dictionary and World Atlas'. It was published in London, but it is Australian. There is no year though... there is a pic of Princesses Elizabeth & Margaret with their parents at the coronation though (as by way of dating it). I believe it was my father's and it is in very delicate condition having been subject to heat and humidity for so long.

The meaning of the word 'woman' is:

Woman: the adult female of the human race; women collectively.

However many threads I see like this one, I still can't quite believe that these posters genuinely believe the Alice in Wonderland (or Kafka-esque? Or Orwellian?) stuff they say. Considering the direction of travel up to now, I think Scarlet will go down the 'it's just like homophobia' route.

Looking at dictionaries is not a good way to find a definition of a word. English dictionaries describe common usage. Dictionaries don't define the meaning of words. If enough people use a word to mean a particular thing that meaning will be sooner or later be recorded in dictionaries. There is no Academy of English to officially tell anyone how to use a word or what it means.

It doesn't bother me if she has done, because I believe in freedom of speech rather than freedom to hold an opinion that's been approved by a tiny but vocal minority.

It does bother me when insults like ethno-nationalist slop get thrown around. I respect people from other cultures, and I see no reason why that should exclude people who feel that their country is being changed over to suit a small but very loud and poorly informed minority.

If you can have the Notting Hill Carnival and Gay Pride Marches, then we should be allowed to have Morris Dancing with guising (where they cover their faces with soot to disguise themselves from the landlords they were insulting.) IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH SLAVERY. NOTHING AT ALL. But it insulted a group of people, and no one had the guts to tell them 'don't go and watch it then'

We're discussing KJK being escorted out of a meeting by police for the 'crime' of asking if they offer single sex provision. Not quite the same, is it?

They don't believe the stuff they say. Otherwise they wouldn't have to keep saying it.

Some men just like coming on here and winding women up.

Each of them completely unaware that they are just the latest in a long, relentlessly tedious line of other men doing exactly the same. What a bloody past time, seriously.

I've said it before, the only fricken reason we live in a patriarchy is the brawn, because it sure as shit isn't the brain.

Here is an interview that KJK did with the Nottingham centre.

I wonder what was disrespectful and disruptive about this one.

(Just to add, through the guilt by association accusations that we have seen on this thread and historically, does this make this CEO a feminist who believes that female people should have single sex provisions?? I mean, that is the level that this thread has sunk to, just like so many others before it.)

I don't think it has been for two reasons.

1. Gender critical is a protected belief and it's not the same as transphobia.
2. The Supreme Court has made it clear that sex means biological sex, not what someone feels they are. Again, this is not the same as transphobia.

There are many, many places where you can discuss your views and receive praise, but that's not what you want, is it? You want to tell us how stupid we are, and you may have a point because we're discussing your views with you.

Do you define 'woman' in accordance with the Supreme Court? Or is this TWAW in action? If so, then I think I'll use the legal definition from the top court in this country.

By the way, did your excellent and accurate sources include this update from PinkNews?

"Parker told PinkNews that she was asked to go on the show by Gariépy’s assistant, and that she gave his channel a cursory look and “nothing at the time stood out as anything unusual or problematic”."

"She added: “I make it my business to avoid researching or policing the entire spectrum of someone’s views, I think the mutilation of healthy children’s bodies is too important, and so it’s not usual for me to do an FBI style background check."

"“I am, of course, concerned at the accusations I have heard since recording the show. The misogyny was not something that surprised me, it is very much at home in both the left and the right of politics, whether it be the enforcement of traditional roles through to pretending we don’t know what a woman is."

"“White supremacy and the racism that fuels it has no place in a civilised society, I abhor those views and the people that hold them. As a free speech advocate I think dialogue, even with those with the most odious prejudices, is essential. How are we ever to change or challenge them if we don’t engage? These days so many people are called Nazis and far right that the prophetic warning that we will no longer recognise the real ones is beginning to come true.”"

I look forward to you linking up the interview and having a discussion about what KJK said that was incorrect and hateful since it was one of your points you have mentioned.

I'm impressed that Pink News printed all of the above, not a publication I generally associate with fair and balanced reporting. 😕

So, KJK said this?

White supremacy and the racism that fuels it has no place in a civilised society, I abhor those views and the people that hold them.

I know.

https://archive.is/s77Wn

Here is the article. It is from 2019. There has been plenty of time for any sin pages, or wikipedia or articles to be adjusted.

The judge in the Deeming v Pesutto case was frustrated that the interview (played in the court room) was considered controversial. As he pointed out, KJK didn't agree with Gariepy all that much and said so on the interview.

But you know.... some most excellent feminists have said it was a problem and so did some articles, and wiki and Pesutto's team added it to the dossier without this significant Pink News article. So, the accusations of guilt by association MUST be true.

She did ! In 2019.

I mean, MyAmpleSheep, on this board we have been seeing the exact same accusations for years now. And they really have just been replicated across the internet by people who should know better but never investigated.

I went through the Pesutto dossier at the time and looked into every accusation and posted on the Deeming threads.

"Posy did not support LWS contingency at the Durham miners Gala because, they were attacked by unison contingency and i was cross that they were not backed up. (I was not there that year)"

I was not there either but I was part of the team organising the "LWS contingent". I was in touch with them during the day, and long afterwards with regard to one of the LWS women being head-butted by a woman who was with the Unison delegation.

KJK was not there either.

What do you mean by, "they were not backed up" by KJK?

There was a lot of discussion locally about what happened and I do not recall anyone saying at any point that they did not feel supported by KJK.

Yes, quite telling I think.

I couldn’t give a single fuck what the idiot handmaidens of “Jezebel” think about anything, least of all what they pontificate about Mumsnet. Hope that helps.

If it's easy to find then why is that you cannot even post one single example on here?
You should be able to list at least ten examples if there are so many readily available and yet you cannot?

You're just using the age-old mud-slinging trick.

Most people have moved on from that - probably because most people are fed up being called far right, neo-nazis etc because they don't want men with a fetish in women only spaces, because they don't want grown men in dresses having access to other people's children and they don't want men oppressing women - anywhere - not just here.

I watched a video in which she said that unions were all mysoginistic, and that it was a waste of time joining the Gala, because of this or words to that effect. Which i do not disagree with, totally

i posted on your thread about the gala, and PM you under a different name, as i am going this year and will try and find LWS if they have a contingency, they can walk under or behind our miners wives banner for protection.

I was not having a go.

I looked through KJK's twitter feed; I couldn't find anything that I would classify as white nationalism. Maybe I missed it, but if I did I submit it can't be very obvious. There were some anti-Islam posts; I don't think that's the same thing though.

Speaking for myself, I am not anti trans people. I want them to have fulfilled and happy lives, with proper access to benefits, employment, etc etc.

Transphobia is hating trans people for being trans people and wishing them ill.

However, I am not happy with the damage that trans ideology has done to women's rights and to children. In no particular order:
Natal men in women's sports - they have a massive unfair advantage even when on oestrogen etc;
Natal men in women's prisons - far too dangerous and a massive loophole;
Natal men in women toilets, changing rooms etc - again, a massive loophole though which dangerous men or men with unpleasant fetishes can contentedly stroll;
Natal men in women's groups and clubs - their presence will shift the tone;
The impact on the minds and bodies of children and vulnerable young adults, with irreversible surgeries and drugs with irreversible impacts being given to very young people who would never, for example, have been considered old enough to make decisions about sterilisation.

All those concerns are not transphobia. It is not transphobic to be suspicious of men who wish to be in women's spaces (because how can you tell who is 'true trans' and who has nefarious intentions?). Resenting TRAs who try to intrude into female spaces isn't transphobic either.

Women need women-only spaces. We are physically weaker than men (hence separate provision in sports, prisons, toilets). Many of us have been sexually assaulted, and would much prefer to change, or go to the loo, well away from the male gaze. We want to to talk about medical issues amongst ourselves. And so on.

MN has not been 'captured by anti-trans ideology'.
It's a space where women who share the concerns that I have outlined above can get together to discuss them. For a long time, we had to be careful what we said, or our posts were deleted or we got booted. It was a conversation that it was very hard to have. Women were pilloried and doxxed for trying to have it. The left-wing press completely betrayed women, and we haven't forgotten.

And you probably know all that, so you've effectively wasted my time.

Restating it all clearly is never a waste of time @EdithStourton

@MissScarletInTheBedroom
posters here who are disproportionately noisy in their aggressive stance.
Bloody fucking hell.
Never seen footage of TRAs on a day out?