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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kellie-Jay Keen (AKA Posie Parker) removed from IWD event by police

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ImTooMessyButImTooClean · 06/03/2026 18:02

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

“My removal from the international women’s day event by the police.

I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the council, asked me to leave for asking questions.

I have footage of every interaction that I will upload later so you can see what those questions were and you can judge for yourself.”

Kellie-Jay Keen (@ThePosieParker) on X

My removal from the international women’s day event by the police. I had been asking women’s organisations whether their services were for women only. This caused alarm and distress and the venue, claimed to be privately owned when it’s owned by the...

https://x.com/theposieparker/status/2029940578528473283?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

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MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:39

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 14:36

More misunderstandings.

The poster did not say there was a problem you being German, she said you are German, i.e. stating a fact, neutrally.

"Yanks" is a term that British people use to refer to Americans, it's years old and it's not insulting, in fact it's more affectionate if anything. I note you didn't pick up on the term "Aussies".

You portray these two things as "highlights the very MN swing to the right".
Nice try.
But wrong.
You see what you want to see.

"Yanks" is a term that British people use to refer to Americans, it's years old and it's not insulting, in fact it's more affectionate if anything. I note you didn't pick up on the term "Aussies".

I always heard that 'Yanks' was an insult. Is it not?

As for 'Aussies', I didn't mention it because I know nothing about that word or the intention behind it. Obviously it refers to Australians, but I've no idea if it's affectionate or an insult or anything in between. So, not mentioned as might not be relevant.

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:41

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:37

Oh really? So you don't consider that 'woman' is the unique word that means a mature person with a body formed around the production of large gametes, even if their body does not produce those large gametes?

Language really is important, isn't it? To avoid confusion such as this.

Oh really? So you don't consider that 'woman' is the unique word that means a mature person with a body formed around the production of large gametes, even if their body does not produce those large gametes?

That is one of the definitions of woman, yes. My German to English dictionary doesn't mention gametes at all. Nor does the online English dictionary definition. Quite telling, isn't it?

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 14:42

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:39

"Yanks" is a term that British people use to refer to Americans, it's years old and it's not insulting, in fact it's more affectionate if anything. I note you didn't pick up on the term "Aussies".

I always heard that 'Yanks' was an insult. Is it not?

As for 'Aussies', I didn't mention it because I know nothing about that word or the intention behind it. Obviously it refers to Australians, but I've no idea if it's affectionate or an insult or anything in between. So, not mentioned as might not be relevant.

You're the one that waded in using these words as proof that MN was swinging to the right (!)

Now you're admitting you don't understand the usage or the nuances?

#letthemspeak

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 09/03/2026 14:43

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 14:42

You're the one that waded in using these words as proof that MN was swinging to the right (!)

Now you're admitting you don't understand the usage or the nuances?

#letthemspeak

It really is quite amusing!

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:43

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:41

Oh really? So you don't consider that 'woman' is the unique word that means a mature person with a body formed around the production of large gametes, even if their body does not produce those large gametes?

That is one of the definitions of woman, yes. My German to English dictionary doesn't mention gametes at all. Nor does the online English dictionary definition. Quite telling, isn't it?

Telling of what?

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:44

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 14:42

You're the one that waded in using these words as proof that MN was swinging to the right (!)

Now you're admitting you don't understand the usage or the nuances?

#letthemspeak

Again, incorrect.

MN swing to the right is much more insidious and much more far reaching that a few simple word uses. Again, you are making assumptions.

Me not being familiar with the term 'Aussies' isn't quite the big issue you seem to think it is. 😉

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:46

Why is there a sports team called the 'Yankees' if it is term of insult?

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:46

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:43

Telling of what?

Obviously that the dictionaries, at least all the ones I can find, don't define a woman that way. Only you do.

Are you in possession of a dictionary the rest of us don't have?

Please do engage with this point.

SigourneyHoward · 09/03/2026 14:51

Oh, Scarlet... if you applied the 'not relevant' self censor to more of your lengthy and excessively verbose postings, we'd all arrive where we need to be a lot quicker.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:52

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:46

Obviously that the dictionaries, at least all the ones I can find, don't define a woman that way. Only you do.

Are you in possession of a dictionary the rest of us don't have?

Please do engage with this point.

www.oed.com/dictionary/woman_n?tl=true

An adult female human being.

And so I then extended my interpretation of 'female' to make sure it was clear. The dictionary refers to 'female' being that of the 'female sex'.

I don't believe that it is 'only' me who defines woman this way. I also believe that the Supreme Court of the UK has described the meaning of the word 'woman' this way as per the EA2010.

Hedgehogforshort · 09/03/2026 14:52

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:46

Obviously that the dictionaries, at least all the ones I can find, don't define a woman that way. Only you do.

Are you in possession of a dictionary the rest of us don't have?

Please do engage with this point.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a woman as “an adult human female”

obviously an adult human female id designed to produce large gamete (as opposed to sperm) which is a biological fact.

Greyskybluesky · 09/03/2026 14:53

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:44

Again, incorrect.

MN swing to the right is much more insidious and much more far reaching that a few simple word uses. Again, you are making assumptions.

Me not being familiar with the term 'Aussies' isn't quite the big issue you seem to think it is. 😉

As I said, you see what you want to see. There seems to be a bit of a comprehension gap.

You seem to forget your own statements literally from one minute to the next. They are there in black and white for all to read.

Igneococcus · 09/03/2026 14:55

Laut Duden:

Frau: erwachsene Person weiblichen Geschlechts

Geschlecht: (von Lebewesen, besonders dem Menschen und höheren Tieren) Gesamtheit der Merkmale, wonach ein Lebewesen in Bezug auf seine Funktion bei der Fortpflanzung meist eindeutig als biologisch männlich oder weiblich bestimmt werden kann

So the definition in what is basically the German equivalent of the Oxford English Dictionary clearly references reproductive functions.

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 14:56

Igneococcus · 09/03/2026 14:55

Laut Duden:

Frau: erwachsene Person weiblichen Geschlechts

Geschlecht: (von Lebewesen, besonders dem Menschen und höheren Tieren) Gesamtheit der Merkmale, wonach ein Lebewesen in Bezug auf seine Funktion bei der Fortpflanzung meist eindeutig als biologisch männlich oder weiblich bestimmt werden kann

So the definition in what is basically the German equivalent of the Oxford English Dictionary clearly references reproductive functions.

Thanks Ig!

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 09/03/2026 14:59

That's twice he's been corrected on the German language, so not German then? 🤔 I think Brighton is closer. 😂

spannasaurus · 09/03/2026 15:01

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:11

Do you believe it's wrong to ask providers of womens services whether their services are for women only?
No, obviously.

Since you believe it's not wrong to ask these questions, what is it that you think KJK did wrong when she asked these questions?

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 15:01

Anyone waiting for the usual attempts to deconstruct the meaning of the phrase 'female human' with the usual trope?

Hedgehogforshort · 09/03/2026 15:03

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 15:01

Anyone waiting for the usual attempts to deconstruct the meaning of the phrase 'female human' with the usual trope?

Me

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 15:06

I mean, maybe we should place bets on what gets mentioned?

I vote for 'biological essentialism'. I mean, the 'whatabouts' will be too easy to guess.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 09/03/2026 15:06

Helleofabore · 09/03/2026 15:01

Anyone waiting for the usual attempts to deconstruct the meaning of the phrase 'female human' with the usual trope?

I'll start.

Sex isn't binary, all the biologist's say so. They done reports and everything that says biology is more complicated than that male/female.

Hedgehogforshort · 09/03/2026 15:09

I am female, I am not a robot, therefore I am a biological female.

quantumbutterfly · 09/03/2026 15:09

MissScarletInTheBedroom · 09/03/2026 14:46

Obviously that the dictionaries, at least all the ones I can find, don't define a woman that way. Only you do.

Are you in possession of a dictionary the rest of us don't have?

Please do engage with this point.

Well kjk has a product line with the dictionary definition of woman as 'adult human female' which shouldn't be contentious, but she was accused of a hate crime when using it.
Apparently some people think that being a woman is some sort of feeling, costume, or set of stereotypical behaviours, which I consider a little more contentious. The confusion went all the way up to the supreme court, who said that when the UK equality act referred to women, that it was referring to biology, which brings us to gametes.
So here we are, having to drill down into the definition of words which everybody already had an understanding of, or so we thought.
Perhaps that's the same for phobia and right-wing.
Sadly UK statutes were interpreted for centuries on the premise that words usually had a commonly accepted literal meaning. Interesting times.

MyAmpleSheep · 09/03/2026 15:17

Just to remind everyone, the solid position in law in the UK - since 1970 and affirmed many times since - is that a person's sex is defined by their chromosomes, genitalia and gonads, as they exist at birth, where those three things are congruent (which they are in the vast vast majority of people). In cases where they are not congruent the courts will make a decision based on medical advice.