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OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 21:35

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2026 21:20

The old donor cards used to have a catch all box Any Part of My Body May Be Used.
Maybe that was the dead woman's thoughs.

I had one card that included Cornias as an option and an earlier on that didn't. I assume cornias were a newer thing than organs.
Maybe bombs would be added to that list sooner or later.

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I think the issue is that uterus transplants are not standard, or expected, and there was no specific consent. And clearly, a lot of women feel differently about their uterus than they do, say, their kidney.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 21:37

I do wonder, for those who think, 'if you don't opt out then you're accepting any body part may be taken', and who consider all organs to be pretty much the same...do you think that should include ovaries? They are, after all, 'just' organs, and you're not going to use them when you're dead!

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:37

ThatZanyFatball · 24/02/2026 20:16

Lol, seriously, a trope?? You made the argument that a womb transplant is akin to a lung or kidney transplant. But no one "needs" a womb transplant in order to start a family. Hell no one is going to die if they don't start a family. I feel for women who have fertility issues but a womb transplant is not a need it is a voluntary procedure. Alternatives are not just adoption literally you can go without having children, many people do. You can throw yourself into programs working with kids. You can forge relationships with neices/nephews. There are any, many alternatives if you can't have a child of your own. But no one will die w/o a womb transplant and comparing it to real life saving procedures is just, a false comparison.

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I’m curious to know what you actually have against it? There are not the same type of ethical considerations to think about when doing surrogacy. I agree that there should be an option for the person to opt in to specifically donate their womb if they were to die, which unfortunately doesn’t seem to be an option yet. But if it was, then what would you have against it? Not being able to have a biological child can be truly devastating for some people. It’s really not as simple as “just get on with your life and find a job working with kids or something”! And adoption can be very difficult too. You’re speaking from a place of privilege to be able to say something as blasé as “just get on with your life”

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 21:41

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028224019551

Ovary transplants between twins are already happening.

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:41

This is probably a really stupid question…but could a trans woman who had a womb transplant carry and give birth to a baby? With, say IVF using an implanted embryo? Or would a male body reject an implanted womb??

ArabellaScott · 24/02/2026 21:42

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:41

This is probably a really stupid question…but could a trans woman who had a womb transplant carry and give birth to a baby? With, say IVF using an implanted embryo? Or would a male body reject an implanted womb??

Categorically not.

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 21:44

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:41

This is probably a really stupid question…but could a trans woman who had a womb transplant carry and give birth to a baby? With, say IVF using an implanted embryo? Or would a male body reject an implanted womb??

Pregnancies are only possible because of the very intricate and detailed interplay of multiple physiological processes. Men do not have any of the hormonal, endocrine, vascular, haematological, immunolgical capabilities requires. As well as having different anatomy including the wrong shaped pelvis.

It is impossible.

FancyCatSlave · 24/02/2026 21:49

I don’t have any moral objections to this whatsoever. All organ donations from
dead donors are fine with me.

Totally opposed to surrogacy and have ethical worries about living organ donations (and the potential exploitation) but not this.

illbetheresunorrain · 24/02/2026 21:49

I have read the article...it is not that bad....she has a healthy baby, the womb donor was gone anyway so? Obviously I don't want men growing babies

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2026 21:55

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 21:25

Probably not ever going to have bombs on the list 🤣

Please tell me my phone isn't the only one autocorrecting wombs for bombs!

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 22:01

RogueFemale · 24/02/2026 20:56

Organ donors are dead and can't have babies?

Sorry I meant organ transplant recipients have been having babies for years with no harm to their children

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 22:06

whoTFismadelaine · 24/02/2026 20:55

You are very aggressive.
None of us have any idea if this baby has been screened for the same genetics and as you keep shouting, it is private and all about the mother. My point is this should not be the main reason to bring children into the world if we aren't 100% sure they aren't continuing problematic genetics.

Well, when people post hurtful and judgemental statements about people going through a pain they clearly don't understand and keep shouting out misinformation that may turn uninformed people against the sufferers for reasons that aren't even real it does get people's backs up.

EsperTillus · 24/02/2026 22:09

ThatZanyFatball · 24/02/2026 20:16

Lol, seriously, a trope?? You made the argument that a womb transplant is akin to a lung or kidney transplant. But no one "needs" a womb transplant in order to start a family. Hell no one is going to die if they don't start a family. I feel for women who have fertility issues but a womb transplant is not a need it is a voluntary procedure. Alternatives are not just adoption literally you can go without having children, many people do. You can throw yourself into programs working with kids. You can forge relationships with neices/nephews. There are any, many alternatives if you can't have a child of your own. But no one will die w/o a womb transplant and comparing it to real life saving procedures is just, a false comparison.

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“You can throw yourself into programs working with kids. You can forge relationships with neices/nephews.”

Nope nope nope. I had a condition that I was told would make it incredibly hard for me to get pregnant. I spent years utterly broken and struggled to be around children.

I’ve somehow managed a spontaneous pregnancy and I feel I’ve been given my life back. I cried with relief at the positive tests, it’s as if the weight of a planet had been lifted from my shoulders. I was no longer condemned to what I felt was a miserable half-life. That’s not to say every childless woman has a half-life, not every women wants children and some are more partial to children but not overly fussed either way. However, in my individual case, the thought of not being able to experience pregnancy, birth and raising a child with the man I love was genuinely life-ruining.

Try telling someone who can no longer eat by month due to a chronic health condition and needs to be permanently tube fed to get a job as a chef so that they can still “throw themselves into the pleasures of food”, and see how well that goes down when they have to watch everyone else have access to something so natural that they have been deprived of.

AuntieAgnesPoodle · 24/02/2026 22:13

whatsgoingoninmybrain · 24/02/2026 19:24

For the last time.

you consent to being an organ donor when you do not opt out.

you consent to ALL VIABLE ORGANS being taken, or some of them, or none.

it’s not that hard to understand.

Your posts are irritable and shouty. Entertainment value is there I suppose, but why use capital letters and expressions such as "it's not that hard to understand," unless you just enjoy being rude to people? In this particular post, the poster to whom you were replying did not agree with your original statement. That doesn't mean they were stupid or wrong. It means they have a different point of view.

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 22:13

Fearlesssloth · 24/02/2026 21:37

I’m curious to know what you actually have against it? There are not the same type of ethical considerations to think about when doing surrogacy. I agree that there should be an option for the person to opt in to specifically donate their womb if they were to die, which unfortunately doesn’t seem to be an option yet. But if it was, then what would you have against it? Not being able to have a biological child can be truly devastating for some people. It’s really not as simple as “just get on with your life and find a job working with kids or something”! And adoption can be very difficult too. You’re speaking from a place of privilege to be able to say something as blasé as “just get on with your life”

Who checks the recipient and their partner are suitable parents. How do you feel about facilitating the creation and birth of a child who may be subjected to a difficult, traumatic or otherwise to you unacceptable upbringing? I don't like the way a lot of people parent and wouldn't want to be a participant in helping them have a child. I can accept we are all different but I dont have to be a cog in the wheel.

What if they are racists or believe in physical punishments for young children, or think babies should be left to cry or they intend to send the child to boarding school age 7 or or etc.

If the research team are only involved the medical stuff then the new parents could be included solely on their eligibility of needing a womb. Who sets other parameters like age, income, housing, etc? Would you be as happy for your donated womb to be used to facilitate a 50+ yr old woman carry a pregnancy?.A woman who lives in a hostel and has a very low income? A relationship with domestic abuse or coercive control?

If I opt out then I am not part of any of the risk of being partly responsible for bringing a child into the world to live in circumstances I am not comfortable with.

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 22:26

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 22:13

Who checks the recipient and their partner are suitable parents. How do you feel about facilitating the creation and birth of a child who may be subjected to a difficult, traumatic or otherwise to you unacceptable upbringing? I don't like the way a lot of people parent and wouldn't want to be a participant in helping them have a child. I can accept we are all different but I dont have to be a cog in the wheel.

What if they are racists or believe in physical punishments for young children, or think babies should be left to cry or they intend to send the child to boarding school age 7 or or etc.

If the research team are only involved the medical stuff then the new parents could be included solely on their eligibility of needing a womb. Who sets other parameters like age, income, housing, etc? Would you be as happy for your donated womb to be used to facilitate a 50+ yr old woman carry a pregnancy?.A woman who lives in a hostel and has a very low income? A relationship with domestic abuse or coercive control?

If I opt out then I am not part of any of the risk of being partly responsible for bringing a child into the world to live in circumstances I am not comfortable with.

Nobody checks that fertile people are going to be good parents before they are allowed to procreate. Why do you think it is acceptable for infertile people to be judged and for other people to decide if they are worthy of treatment/children or not?

To answer your question though to have IVF in the UK you have to complete a "welfare of the child" assessment which is incredibly insulting as no fertile woman is ever assessed in that way before she allowed to have her own children.

Oganesson118 · 24/02/2026 22:40

Needspaceforlego · 24/02/2026 08:50

Live donors, is it much different to donating a kidney, particularly as its likely to be within family close biological match?

Probably better donating a womb to a daughter than to risk being a surrogate in your 50s or 60s.

Tend to agree in general, think I was referring to people’s concerns about live donors being coerced etc. You’d assume there would be safeguards obviously about this kind of thing but understand why people may jump to this as being a possibility in future.

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 22:46

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 22:26

Nobody checks that fertile people are going to be good parents before they are allowed to procreate. Why do you think it is acceptable for infertile people to be judged and for other people to decide if they are worthy of treatment/children or not?

To answer your question though to have IVF in the UK you have to complete a "welfare of the child" assessment which is incredibly insulting as no fertile woman is ever assessed in that way before she allowed to have her own children.

I completely accept other people's agency to do as they want without scrutiny or judgement. I get it.

I don't have to supply my reproductive organs to facilitate it was my point. When my own body parts are involved, then I get a say. Not because I should be the judge and jury on who gets to be parents but so that I am conscience clear on having zero part in unwittingly participating in a child's abuse or suffering.

By saying no to donating my uterus, I don't have to wrangle with the potential issues.

TheOchreJoker · 24/02/2026 22:58

Shortshriftandlethal · 24/02/2026 13:47

You can only speak for yourself. Others may feel differently.

It is not a disability regardless of personal feelings on the matter. Do you not know what the word disability means?

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 23:09

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 22:46

I completely accept other people's agency to do as they want without scrutiny or judgement. I get it.

I don't have to supply my reproductive organs to facilitate it was my point. When my own body parts are involved, then I get a say. Not because I should be the judge and jury on who gets to be parents but so that I am conscience clear on having zero part in unwittingly participating in a child's abuse or suffering.

By saying no to donating my uterus, I don't have to wrangle with the potential issues.

Of course you get a say with your own body parts. Would you opt out of all organ donation in case someone you didn't like got your organs when you would have said no if you knew the person?

WarrenTofficier · 24/02/2026 23:10

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 22:46

I completely accept other people's agency to do as they want without scrutiny or judgement. I get it.

I don't have to supply my reproductive organs to facilitate it was my point. When my own body parts are involved, then I get a say. Not because I should be the judge and jury on who gets to be parents but so that I am conscience clear on having zero part in unwittingly participating in a child's abuse or suffering.

By saying no to donating my uterus, I don't have to wrangle with the potential issues.

Have you opted out of all organ donation in case your kidney or a lung keeps an abusive parent alive? Or a domestic abuser?

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 23:17

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 23:09

Of course you get a say with your own body parts. Would you opt out of all organ donation in case someone you didn't like got your organs when you would have said no if you knew the person?

It's a thought isn't it?

But to me (and as much as you may disagree it's my opinion on what happens to my body parts that counts) there is a very significant difference when it comes to reproductive organs and genitalia.

I would also be uncomfortable with my face being transplanted. On anyone.

Firefly1987 · 24/02/2026 23:18

This horrifies me. Surprised it's ethical to experiment on babies in this way. I would absolutely opt-out of donating a womb. I don't want kids despite being very maternal-I'm against having children for ethical reasons. Using a dead donors womb amplifies that by about 1000x. Women (and doctors) playing god with babies lives and people championing that because women should get whatever they want at whatever cost.

FakeTwix · 24/02/2026 23:20

SatinPajamas · 24/02/2026 23:09

Of course you get a say with your own body parts. Would you opt out of all organ donation in case someone you didn't like got your organs when you would have said no if you knew the person?

Nope. I am ok with my liver helping a drug addict or alcoholic. I am ok with my kidney going to a burglar.

I don't want my uterus to be used to create a baby.

Not sure why not wanting to fling my genitalia into the world for use as others wish is so controversial!

The flippancy with which posters here are treating organ donation makes it very hard to understand why we have issues with blood stocks or donor organs at all really.

Firefly1987 · 24/02/2026 23:49

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 24/02/2026 19:17

I don’t have any problems with a woman giving birth from a transplanted womb. Why is a womb transplant any different from any other organ transplant? How amazing that an infertile woman can experience the joy of pregnancy and becoming a mother. A much better option to surrogacy.

Because it involves another person-the baby (in case everyone forgot) and they didn't get to consent. I wouldn't want a donated organ (might change my mind if I ever needed one but that's currently where I stand) and I wouldn't want that decision taken away from me. If that means not getting to be born then that would've suited me just fine. The whole thing makes me extremely uncomfortable.